Keyblade Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 "That's 2 goals in the last 12 games now isn't it?": Liverpool fans probably after 12 games in 2018, before they went on to get 97 points in the league (one win away from being invincible champions and centurions) and win the CL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 39 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: It's the new Mings thread. He has 4 assist in 5 games yet all we here is that he hadn't scored yet. The modern game demands so much more of a striker. That's why a natural finisher like Ings can't get a look in. If you are judging him based solely off of goals scored you have it wrong. Goal contributions (goals+assists) matter more than just goals. Anyone that counts goals only is being ridiculous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Zatman said: He has 3 in 6 games already Read it again. 'In the league'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amed Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 He’s leaving next summer and ok with it - feel like he’s already playing with that mentality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 His poor start to the season continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 9 hours ago, Tom13 said: I'd just rather win games comfortably by taking easy chances and not having to worry as much about dangerous counters. Well perhaps go and support Man City then, you'd love it 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 I'm happy with his performances and contribution, I'd really really love it if he'd get off the mark in the prem as I'm sure would he. I'm not too worried as we seem to have this conversation about Ollie every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said: His poor start to the season continues. He's your Buendia replacement this season isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Keyblade said: There was a period where he had like 11 goals in 13 games last season. By this logic he would have been on course for 32 goals in a season. That's not how it works. Players can have streaky purple patches, and barren runs, especially strikers. The truth is closer to the middle of these 2 extremes. I'm not going to judge him on a 5 game goal return, especially when a.) I have a body of work spanning 3 seasons at Villa to reference and b.) he's contributed in other crucial ways including getting multiple assists. Zeroing in on a 5 game run seems to rather be missing the forest for the trees. Not answering my question (again). Let's try again (again)... he's one in 12. On course for 3.2 goals for the season (or thereabouts). Content with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 It'll click again, but he is hampering us at the moment. Without Diaby we'd be stuffed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 I don’t really know how people can be so forgiving to him tbh. I just don’t know how many more one on ones I can watch him miss. If we had a decent striker we might well be a top 6 team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 He was unlucky again yesterday. Should have scored at least one with those two chances in first half , the second chance being where if he’d made any attempt to throw himself at the ball it would have went in . He didn’t play bad, I mean he hit the woodwork from a good effort and won us the penalty , but he’s having one of those dry spells again and his missed chances will hurt us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: Not answering my question (again). Let's try again (again)... he's one in 12. On course for 3.2 goals for the season (or thereabouts). Content with that? Content with what, a hypothetical? I mean sure, I guess I would not be very happy with a 3 goal return for the season. But to be frank, there's no serious discussion to be had on what a player is "on course for..." using a 12 game run spanning 2 separate seasons. Statistically, it's quite meaningless. For example, on match week 12 of last season, funnily enough you could have said he was on course for exactly 3.2 goals for the season. It's even a slightly better barometer because at least all 12 of those games took place during the season in question. He ended up finishing the season with 15 goals. So just the 500% more than that early extrapolation. Like I already said, it's probably more useful to look at his entire tenure here to have a more accurate gauge on how many goals he might be on course for if you're so inclined. Or even his record during Unai Emery's tenure. His records there are 1 in 3 and 1 in 2 respectively. That's if you want to judge him solely on his goal return, which is already a reductive way of looking at it imo, but at least there is more data to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 39 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: Not answering my question (again). Let's try again (again)... he's one in 12. On course for 3.2 goals for the season (or thereabouts). Content with that? I'll bare my *rse in Woolworths window if he ends up on 3.2 league goals this season. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: He was unlucky again yesterday. Should have scored at least one with those two chances in first half , the second chance being where if he’d made any attempt to throw himself at the ball it would have went in . He didn’t play bad, I mean he hit the woodwork from a good effort and won us the penalty , but he’s having one of those dry spells again and his missed chances will hurt us. He isn’t unlucky. He is bad at finishing. It feels like every game we say he should have scored, he’s missed chances, etc. Hitting the woodwork isn’t a good effort either, it’s missing the target. He just isn’t good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Spoony said: He isn’t unlucky. He is bad at finishing. It feels like every game we say he should have scored, he’s missed chances, etc. Hitting the woodwork isn’t a good effort either, it’s missing the target. He just isn’t good enough. Not good enough for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 I get the arguments that he works hard and offers more than just goals. The problem with Ollie is that, unlike a player like firmino for example, he clearly judges his own performance by how many goals he scores and the longer he goes without scoring the more it gets in his head and he starts being more and more selfish to try and get that goal, hurting his broader game. Given we have diaby who works just as hard with an excellent all round game plus end product in the form of goals and assists, I do think that Watkins’ importance is far lower than it has been previously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Ollie’s finishing is still an enigma and should have easily scored twice yesterday. However, he does also win a crucial penalty and his general play helps bring others into the game. He also seemed to get in Zaniolo’s way at some point. There’s enough to criticise whilst recognising the great things he brings to the team. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Spoony said: He isn’t unlucky. He is bad at finishing. It feels like every game we say he should have scored, he’s missed chances, etc. Hitting the woodwork isn’t a good effort either, it’s missing the target. He just isn’t good enough. I agree he misses too many. Even when he’d score two maybe three you always feel he should have scored another couple. I like him I think he’s an asset to the team/squad and he’s playing well enough for me to think it will come pretty soon . He’s creating chances still and is looking dangerous but yes I know he needs to do his job more and that’s being more consistent scoring goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 53 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: Not answering my question (again). Let's try again (again)... he's one in 12. On course for 3.2 goals for the season (or thereabouts). Content with that? I'll wager a bet with you that Watkins scores more than 4 goals in the league this season. You'll take it because you think he'll score fewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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