Tom13 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, lexicon said: It's not that bad at all; you really don't need to be so hyperbolic. He has a middling completion rate with a high assist rate compared to other forwards. Not trying to be hyperbolic. I've seen too many fluid moves break down because of him. I know he also has many strengths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 If only Buendia could find Watkins more, he'd have more goals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, DJBOB said: If only Buendia could find Watkins more, he'd have more goals! We were saying the same thing watching in the Holte on the weekend. Buendia was playing some nice balls to Ollie but he wasn’t reading them. The previous game they had a minor but obvious disagreement on the pitch as well. Those two are struggling to sync with each other. Ollie either needs to be more intelligent in certain positions or Emi needs to adjust his game to adapt to Ollie not having that kind of football IQ. Grealish was brilliant and adapted to know how to get the best out of Ollie but we are talking about an elite play maker there that was able to compensate for Ollie’s shortfalls in football IQ. Buendia is not at Jack’s level but has considerable ability, is it enough to adapt and find that link up with Ollie? We’ll have to wait and see, plus hopefully we get others in to help with feeding Ollie because he has shown he can score if we play to his strengths. If we don’t he’s limited but you can say this about most players. Edited May 18, 2023 by nick76 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, nick76 said: We were saying the same thing watching in the Holte on the weekend. Buendia was playing some nice balls to Ollie but he wasn’t reading them. The previous game they had a minor but obvious disagreement on the pitch as well. Those two are struggling to sync with each other. Ollie either needs to be more intelligent in certain positions or Emi needs to adjust his game to adapt to Ollie not having that kind of football IQ. Grealish was brilliant and adapted to know how to get the best out of Ollie but we are talking about an elite play maker there that was able to compensate for Ollie’s shortfalls in football IQ. Buendia is not at Jack’s level but has considerable ability, is it enough to adapt and find that link up with Ollie? We’ll have to wait and see, plus hopefully we get others in to help with feeding Ollie because he has shown he can score if we play to his strengths. If we don’t he’s limited but you can this about most players. To be fair - teams are consistently playing to nullify Watkins either by dropping in their low blocks or making sure they have numbers to 2v1 Watkins. Watkins has slowly adapted by playing a more CF role and finding the layoffs but even watching - you can see how isolated Watkins tends to be. When Buendia and Watkins are close together - they connect better but it is often Buendia/Watkins in a 2v4 scenario that is not ideal. When he was firing - Watkins was frequently getting 1v1 with a center back and running them ragged. Hopefully against Liverpool and Brighton - we can get them in more 2v2 scenarios in transition. Watkins also likes a goal against Liverpool. Of course - I still also think he's suffering some newborn fatigue but slowly coming out of it recently. Edited May 18, 2023 by DJBOB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Hopefully this one doesn't cost us, but getting Ollie off pens is a good thing for us long term. Near-on the opposite sort of player you want taking them. Technique. Composure. Of the current squad, I'd go Doug, Kamara, Buendia and McGinn before Ollie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Surely someone else in our squad can take pens? He's never, ever looked confident taking them. Certainly doesn't give me any confidence when he steps up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 You’d hope that would be it for him taking pens, get Luiz on them, apart from the missed pen thought he ran the line well and put konate under pressure all game 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 should never be taking pens, always seems to struggle with them tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, rbcuk said: You’d hope that would be it for him taking pens, get Luiz on them, apart from the missed pen thought he ran the line well and put konate under pressure all game I thought Konate won that battle easily, I was a bit disappointed with Ollie today, he needs to vary his game a bit when he’s in games like that and what he’s doing isn’t working. Not about scoring but about providing an outlet or be more of a menace than he was today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Six without a goal now ain't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Apologies for calling him a clown i was just really frustrated my emotions and the whisky took over. He missed a pen it happens.but i dont want him on pens next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Tomaszk said: Hopefully this one doesn't cost us, but getting Ollie off pens is a good thing for us long term. Near-on the opposite sort of player you want taking them. Technique. Composure. Of the current squad, I'd go Doug, Kamara, Buendia and McGinn before Ollie. Ramsey got mentioned in another thread, he is a very accurate and clean striker of a ball from near the edge of the box. Could be our new Milner or Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Love the bloke and despite scoring a few recently I'd never back him on a penalty. His technique striking a ball is far too hit and miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robby b Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 On 18/05/2023 at 09:48, DJBOB said: Of course - I still also think he's suffering some newborn fatigue but slowly coming out of it recently. I really hope you're right about this, as opposed to it being a case of his confidence being too fragile. After his brilliant recent scoring run it is now six PL games without a goal. From one extreme to the other suddenly. About his penalties I think he's taken five in the PL: scored 3, missed 2? According to transfermarkt.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 48 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: Ramsey got mentioned in another thread, he is a very accurate and clean striker of a ball from near the edge of the box. Could be our new Milner or Barry. Pretty sure McGinn could take a decent pen too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Watkins made a bad choice with his approach - should have just blasted it instead of trying to place it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, robby b said: I really hope you're right about this, as opposed to it being a case of his confidence being too fragile. After his brilliant recent scoring run it is now six PL games without a goal. From one extreme to the other suddenly. About his penalties I think he's taken five in the PL: scored 3, missed 2? According to transfermarkt.com. There are other circumstances I’m sure and maybe it is all just a coincidence but his form fell off a cliff with the firstborn too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Ollie has done wonders for us 2nd part of the season but, you know what? We need a better striker if we really want to make progress. I love the guy but he is not much more than good mid-table level. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Ollie has done wonders for us 2nd part of the season but, you know what? We need a better striker if we really want to make progress. I love the guy but he is not much more than good mid-table level. completely agree. He's a good striker for sure, but he isnt good enough for the starting 11, if we want to go to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 The solution is very simple. we buy a proper striker and Ollie can be one of our wing forwards 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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