Jareth Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Its the goal difference thats gonna kill us For sure. As others have said, it is our lack of a proven striker this season which has done us - had we had one we would not be headed down - even with all the mistakes at the back. I do think though that remarkably we still have a chance - I'm watching from a point of curiosity, didn't even celebrate the goal yesterday - probably just detaching myself from the inevitable disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: GD will kill us and that's on Smith. 1000 % Smith's on the beach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jareth said: For sure. As others have said, it is our lack of a proven striker this season which has done us - had we had one we would not be headed down - even with all the mistakes at the back. I do think though that remarkably we still have a chance - I'm watching from a point of curiosity, didn't even celebrate the goal yesterday - probably just detaching myself from the inevitable disaster. I think it's the other way around. I still believe we needed another striker from the start and leaving all the pressure on Wes for so long was wrong. Though I still think it's our defensive woes that have caused us probable relegation. Defending from corners, defending in the last 15 minutes and shots conceded. We have actually looked better since the restart and if played like that all season I think we would have a few points in the bag and probably safe. I think firstly we missed another quality centre half, then a dominant midfielder and then another striker in hindsight. I mean, even Luiz current form across the whole season, I think, would've been enough to say us from relegation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 29 minutes ago, R.Bear said: We should be hoping, praying for this. Watford beat West Ham. We at least draw with Arsenal, West Ham lose. Beat West Ham on the final day to leapfrog them. And obviously hope Bournemouth lose to Soton. Or we beat arsenal west ham win and then we go in game with west ham safe and gives us a better chance of winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted July 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Or we beat arsenal west ham win and then we go in game with west ham safe and gives us a better chance of winning this please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, Jareth said: For sure. As others have said, it is our lack of a proven striker this season which has done us - had we had one we would not be headed down - even with all the mistakes at the back. I do think though that remarkably we still have a chance - I'm watching from a point of curiosity, didn't even celebrate the goal yesterday - probably just detaching myself from the inevitable disaster. I think it’s the most I’ve celebrated one since the POF, I really thought we were going to do it. You’d think I would have learned by now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 So basically, anything other than a West Ham win tonight and we're in shit street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, MCU said: So basically, anything other than a West Ham win tonight and we're in shit street. I think a draw is now the worst result whereas if we’d held on last night it would’ve possibly been the best result. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Also, I've noticed a pattern (me included)... we are all assuming Watford are going to lose against Man City (understandable) and Arsenal yet holding out hope we're going to get a point or even win against them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Rolta said: We can do it. I'm on the verge of being convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: I think a draw is now the worst result whereas if we’d held on last night it would’ve possibly been the best result. Yes sorry, draw would be disaster. Basically means we need to win both due to GD. 4 points at the absolute least but hope Watford get pummeled. Edited July 17, 2020 by MCU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) West Ham should beat Watford as they are the better team. However unfortunately following this logic they then will probably beat us as well. Edited July 17, 2020 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, MCU said: Also, I've noticed a pattern (me included)... we are all assuming Watford are going to lose against Man City (understandable) and Arsenal yet holding out hope we're going to get a point or even win against them? Yes. At this stage is either complete blind faith lunacy, or sad resignation that we are going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedman Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, omariqy said: You still have to retain some hope otherwise there is no point in being a fan. However, so many things have to go for us that it is highly unlikely. The best case scenario for us in the coming days - West Ham win by at least 2 clear goals today - Arsenal either win in the cup or take it to extra time - Saints get at least a draw on Sunday - Man City beat Watford by 3 clear goals This would mean the table would look like the following before we play Arsenal. 17 Watford FC 37 8 10 19 35:60 -26 34 18 AFC Bournemouth 37 8 8 21 38:63 -25 32 19 Aston Villa 36 8 7 21 39:66 -27 31 20 Norwich City 36 5 6 25 26:68 -42 21 We then again have a cup final game and mentality going into the Arsenal game. A win could put you in a place where you probably only really need to match Watford's result to stay up. Great, I was all set and resigned to us going down, now I'm looking at this going, "this all looks very plausible", and now have hope again. When we inevitably still get relegated now it'll hurt even more, thanks a lot! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, weedman said: Great, I was all set and resigned to us going down, now I'm looking at this going, "this all looks very plausible", and now have hope again. When we inevitably still get relegated now it'll hurt even more, thanks a lot! Come onnnn. We can do ittt. EDIT: That's not a reply to you. It's just what I keep telling myself. Edited July 17, 2020 by Rolta 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Having watched Bournemouth against Spurs, Leicester and Man City i have got a strong feeling they will finish on 37 pts and survive. To me they just have more about them compared to us and Watford who i think will go down. I think we will finish the season on 31 points. The Arsenal team we are facing now is imo stronger than the Arsenal team who beat us with 10 men. They are much stronger defensively and Arteta is getting a better tune out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Or we beat arsenal west ham win and then we go in game with west ham safe and gives us a better chance of winning Disagree, I'd rather face a West Ham team needing something than with the pressure off. They would be delighted to send us down and if they are safe would go all out to make that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted July 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Rolta said: We can do it. You know something, the more I think about it the more I think we can 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: You know something, the more I think about it the more I think we can I often think about marrying Kelly brook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted July 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Jareth said: I often think about marrying Kelly brook fill your boots, do you want me to introduce you to her ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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