Jareth Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: I don't get it and I just don't see how you can become that detached from it all and that if what is happening nationally/globally isn't touching you that you don't, or won't have soon, instances in your own life that don't bring home to you how serious this all is. It's delusion, we all do it, but this crisis has brought it to the fore, I get it, I've done it myself, but it's about time the penny dropped for literally everybody. Edited April 3, 2020 by Jareth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 It isn’t over the top. Crucially many look no further than the end of their nose. Either through fear or ignorance. Reminds me of documentaries about the USA in the war, where their soldiers were dying in droves yet back in the US people were oblivious to it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Although I would say, I have a degree of understanding for those slow to grasp it, as there has been a shameful, despicable, casualness from the government here and from the Liar In Chief Over The Water. I take no comfort from it, but history will look back at Johnson and Trump, especially Trump, as being complicit in an awful tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Jordan Henderson sets up Premier League coronavirus fund for NHS https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/03/liverpool-jordan-henderson-sets-up-premier-league-coronavirus-fund-for-nhs Lineker was right, the government trying to blame prem league players is a filthy distraction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, Awol said: That’s what I thought, all fart and no sh*t. Cheers Also, a timeline, worth looking at, and then, deciding if it's ok. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/03/coronavirus-testing-in-uk-timeline-of-ministers-mixed-messages Three weeks ago, the World Health Organization told countries battling Covid-19 to “test, test, test” for the virus. Since then, the UK government has been accused of issuing mixed messages, of over-promising and under-delivering – the UK’s daily testing rate has only just passed 10,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I've just seen the updated figure of deaths in the UK and felt a huge wave of anxiety for the first time since this all began. Somebody said we're already higher than China... is that true? My girlfriend is a paramedic and has just left for her night shift. She's attending plenty of 'potential' Covid-19 cases because as soon as the caller tells the operator about any 'shortness' of breath they can't take any chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted April 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, MCU said: I've just seen the updated figure of deaths in the UK and felt a huge wave of anxiety for the first time since this all began. Somebody said we're already higher than China... is that true? My girlfriend is a paramedic and has just left for her night shift. She's attending plenty of 'potential' Covid-19 cases because as soon as the caller tells the operator about any 'shortness' of breath they can't take any chances. Good luck to her, I hope she's being given the right PPE. The paramedics in the East Midlands certainly aren't, it's an absolute disgrace. I'll **** scream hearing another person praise the government's response while we still have frontline medical staff not even having masks. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Good luck to her, I hope she's being given the right PPE. The paramedics in the East Midlands certainly aren't, it's an absolute disgrace. I'll **** scream hearing another person praise the government's response while we still have frontline medical staff not even having masks. It is a disgrace and I can't see how it can be defended. We can't be far off the point, in fact we are probably already there, where we will have instances of front line NHS staff who refuse to treat people with covid 19 symptoms unless they are given the correct PPE. Imagine doing that job, hearing daily of colleagues dying, in some cases young colleagues, and then being asked to treat and care for people but without basic PPE to protect yourself and therefore others you come into contact with and care for. These people are well as being nurses, Drs, paramedics etc are somebodies father, mother, husband, wife, child etc. I can't put into words how mad it makes me that we are still failing to get PPE to people on the front line of all this, never mind others caring for people within NHS, in care homes and looking after people in the community etc. Edited April 3, 2020 by markavfc40 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DCJonah Posted April 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: It is a disgrace and I can't see how it can be defended. We can't be far off the point, in fact we are probably already there, where we will have instances of front line NHS staff who refuse to treat people with covid 19 symptoms unless they are given the correct PPE. Imagine doing that job, hearing daily of colleagues dying, in some cases young colleagues, and then being asked to treat and care for people but without basic PPE to protect yourself and therefore others you come into contact with and care for. These people are well as being nurses, Drs, paramedics etc are somebodies father, mother, husband, wife, child etc. I can't put into words how mad it makes me that we are still failing to get PPE to people on the front line of all this, never mind others caring for people within NHS, in care homes and looking after people in the community etc. Imagine a firefighter going to a house fire and not having the correct equipment. Or a police officer sent to arrest a violent criminal without the right equipment. These people chose a profession to care for and look after the rest of us. And we can't even make sure they can do their job properly. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, MCU said: I've just seen the updated figure of deaths in the UK and felt a huge wave of anxiety for the first time since this all began. Somebody said we're already higher than China... is that true? My girlfriend is a paramedic and has just left for her night shift. She's attending plenty of 'potential' Covid-19 cases because as soon as the caller tells the operator about any 'shortness' of breath they can't take any chances. I wouldn’t pay any attention to any Chinese stats, good or bad, we simply have no way of knowing what’s credible and what’s not. There will be layers of incompetence, embarrassment, well meaning mis reporting, political games and political mischief. By the way, they’re one of our big new hopes for prosperity, post Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, MCU said: Somebody said we're already higher than China... is that true? I wouldn't believe the figures coming out of China to be honest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Awol said: Happy to disagree but instead of snide pot shots, why not explain what the alternative to herd immunity is? You clearly think there is one so why not share? @Jareth in your own time mate, a Nobel Prize awaits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Imagine a firefighter going to a house fire and not having the correct equipment. Or a police officer sent to arrest a violent criminal without the right equipment. These people chose a profession to care for and look after the rest of us. And we can't even make sure they can do their job properly. We send our armed forces to war with inadequate equipment. We have form for it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 The BBC are running this story Coronavirus: How NHS Nightingale was built in just nine days It's entirely misleading - I mean it was incredible logistics to get it set up (thanks Army), but they are couching it in the same terms as the hospitals which were built in Wuhan, literally from the ground up. The other day we had a nurse on TV selling this exact line - she clearly had PR training - but it's another example of spin, at a time of crisis. How can this go on? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Awol said: @Jareth in your own time mate, a Nobel Prize awaits. If you have to quote yourself, AND bold it. Well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted April 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2020 Look! In just 9 days, we’ve taken this open plan conference centre and added some temporary non load bearing partition! Just like they do for, er, conferences. It’s well meaning re assurance for people that like stuff written on buses. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, Jareth said: If you have to quote yourself, AND bold it. Well.... Meeting questions with deflection and answers with insults. You’re pretty good at this trolling business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Look! In just 9 days, we’ve taken this open plan conference centre and added some temporary non load bearing partition! Just like they do for, er, conferences. It’s well meaning re assurance for people that like stuff written on buses. Yeah!* *Also the 4000 people who’ll be on life support in there by the end of next week... but Brexit! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Awol said: Meeting questions with deflection and answers with insults. You’re pretty good at this trolling business. I don't mean to be a troll, but it's a dumb question, it really, truly is - asking someone to dispute an established theory - I would not choose that path, but you think it's fab - albeit 36 year old nurses with no underlying conditions die. When the WHO suggest we test, test, test, it is somehow OK that we in Britain, perhaps under cover of exceptionalism reject that. I just do not understand how the current leaders can be excused given what has happened and how predictable it all was - like completely predictable given Italy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted April 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, Xela said: We send our armed forces to war with inadequate equipment. We have form for it. And often don't bother looking after them much when they come back. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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