allani Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, villa4europe said: As much as anything I think in here he shows the massive misconception over youngsters breaking through and waht should be expected of them Most appearances in the PL for his age group, star of England's u19 team, one of the youngest players on the golden boy list, signed for £20m by a better team than us... But to some here he's shit because they judge him to have done **** all in a 10 minute sub appearance at 18 years old The significance of an 18 year old even playing in the PL is lost on them, there are hardly any Not sure many people are saying he's ****. Just that he'd not done enough to justify the "regular role" that he appeared to be demanding. In my opinion I think his team knew that he was unlikely to be making a lot of appearances this year and were just using it as an excuse to not sign whilst they tried to do a deal with one of the big teams. I don't think there's much more we could realistically have done to persuade him to stay (well not unless we'd signed UE six months earlier). But going back I agree with @useless that if Chuk was still here then Archer would probably have gone on loan and the "emergence" of Archer was used as a cover to lessen the blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Interesting thing watching the Man Utd game is that role Buendia played isn't too dissimilar to the role that Aaron Ramsey has been playing for Norwich, the role that Bailey played was similar to how Archer was playing for Preston last season, Iroegbunam can play en un doble pivote, so seems we've to players coming through well suited to Emery's system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, allani said: Not sure many people are saying he's ****. Just that he'd not done enough to justify the "regular role" that he appeared to be demanding. In my opinion I think his team knew that he was unlikely to be making a lot of appearances this year and were just using it as an excuse to not sign whilst they tried to do a deal with one of the big teams. I don't think there's much more we could realistically have done to persuade him to stay (well not unless we'd signed UE six months earlier). But going back I agree with @useless that if Chuk was still here then Archer would probably have gone on loan and the "emergence" of Archer was used as a cover to lessen the blow. Oh yeah he's gone and got a sky 6 team on his CV, villa couldn't have done anything else I'm not so sure on the loan though, we looked like we were going in to the season with 2 up top, Gerrard then abandoned it or even worse played Bailey out of position rather than archer The Bolton game sums it up, started 2 up top but it was ings and Watkins, 70th minute Bailey comes on for watkins, 80th minute archer comes on for Ings Us keeping him here makes sense, us not playing him doesn't and we all know where the blame lies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 If results were better, and Gerrard wasn't trying in vain to keep his job, we would've seen more of Archer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 44 minutes ago, useless said: Interesting thing watching the Man Utd game is that role Buendia played isn't too dissimilar to the role that Aaron Ramsey has been playing for Norwich, the role that Bailey played was similar to how Archer was playing for Preston last season, Iroegbunam can play en un doble pivote, so seems we've to players coming through well suited to Emery's system. I think those players will massively benefit from having him coaching them too. It is the argument for keeping Archer in Jan rather than loaning him. Just training with UE is likely to help him develop some extra facets to his game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 It's a shame he missed half a season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, messi11 said: It's a shame he missed half a season Should be sent out on loan in Jan if he's not going to be used. Maybe he can join Tim at QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) You really love to see young footballers off the back of incredible 6 months playing every week, scoring goals, high on confidence and really ready to kick not play for 6 months. Congratulations to all involved. Highlight of the season was when we played those giants Bolton and he nearly started. Such brave management. We really showed that day to all the youngsters there is a pathway. Edited November 11, 2022 by rodders0223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gwi1890 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 7 hours ago, duke313 said: Should be sent out on loan in Jan if he's not going to be used. Maybe he can join Tim at QPR. Think it would be better for him to return to Preston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, StuL said: If his brother is saying that publically, Cam is definitely after a move, even if just a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyvilla Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, StuL said: Can't imagine his brother posting stuff will do him a huge amount of good with the club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 he does need to go out on loan, we have quite literally wasted 6 months of his development. disgusting tbh, i thought we were past wasting our young players development opportunities. not sure if Gerrards fault?, probably....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingzen Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 35 minutes ago, MaVilla said: he does need to go out on loan, we have quite literally wasted 6 months of his development. disgusting tbh, i thought we were past wasting our young players development opportunities. not sure if Gerrards fault?, probably....... Have we really though? Being in and around the squad on a daily basis, training with them, being there on match days, etc., etc... is all a massive step up and part of learning and development. Hardly "disgusting" and a waste of development opportunities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 If the news is true! surely its time to unleash Archer to the PL. Start him (If Bailey and Watkins news is true) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, messi11 said: If the news is true! surely its time to unleash Archer to the PL. Start him (If Bailey and Watkins news is true) what news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, MaVilla said: what news? Bailey and Watkins not in the squad (Rumours from twitter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, messi11 said: Bailey and Watkins not in the squad (Rumours from twitter) lets hope that isnt true.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Time to shine Cameron !!! ( despite playing about 150 mins of any standard of football this season ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, messi11 said: Bailey and Watkins not in the squad (Rumours from twitter) Nooo. That would be crippling. They've been two of our best players in the new era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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