peterms Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Dates of Israeli attacks, compared to dates of Israeli elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Interesting article from an Israeli who was instrumental in negotiating the release of Gilad Shalit. Conclusion: ...The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the possibility of a long term ceasefire. Netanyahu has acted with extreme irresponsibility. He has endangered the people of Israel and struck a real blow against the few important more pragmatic elements within Hamas. He has given another victory to those who seek our destruction, rather than strengthen those who are seeking to find a possibility to live side-by-side, not in peace, but in quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Dates of Israeli attacks, compared to dates of Israeli elections. no no no That would suggest state sponsored murder on an industrial scale. Why, if that could be proven then little Willie Hague would be doing the rounds of the UN movers and shakers looking to put a no fly zone in place and offering 'non lethal assistance' to the persecuted. Doubtless it's those crafty arabs, always goading and tricking Israel into accidentally killing kiddies just before an election in actual fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I say sack the bloke in charge of the code names 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockStockVilla Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 If I could get a job just naming military operations, I'd be a very happy boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Melons of fury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 bitchslap of doom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockStockVilla Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Eat Pray Bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I say sack the bloke in charge of the code names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Just heard on BBC an entire family of 11 Palestinians were killed in shelling. **** sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Just heard on BBC an entire family of 11 Palestinians were killed in shelling. **** sad. I'm sure they were guarding some sort of Hamas terror cell though, Israel's remember do not target innocents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 What is the Israeli Death toll compared to the Palestinian? I think it's currently 3 Israeli, 101 Palestinian, reflecting the massive imbalance in arms. Many of the Palestinian dead are children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Difficult to find unbiased figures, both sides have motivation to skew them one way or the other but the common consensus seems to be that for every Israeli killed between 8-10 Palestinians die. Now I think it is important to state that having more money and better weapons doesn't automatically make Israel the bad guy. How they push Palestinians around with those resources is another matter entirely. In the period from December 2008, the ratio has been closer to 100-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 100-1? Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 In the period from December 2008, the ratio has been closer to 100-1 Would be interesting to see the relative ratio's of munitions fired by the two sides over the same period, I suspect those numbers would be an awful lot closer. (Not to detract from the tragedy of the fact that civilians are being killed at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 20, 2012 Moderator Share Posted November 20, 2012 Just heard Paddypower are already paying out on Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Would be interesting to see the relative ratio's of munitions fired by the two sides over the same period, I suspect those numbers would be an awful lot closer. (Not to detract from the tragedy of the fact that civilians are being killed at all). I wonder how you would calculate that. Would a single shot from a gun count as one unit, same as a rocket? Would a rocket count the same as a shell from a warship? Perhaps the relative lethality of the munitions is the better measure. Or simply the number of dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20425352 Explosion on a bus in Tel Aviv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 The BBC's coverage in this is quite shameful. They have been speaking of Israeli "retaliation" against "militants", obscuring the timeline of what has happened, making out there is an equality of threat on both sides. We get better from Mark Steel. Stop pretending Israel's massacre in Gaza is part of an even battle with Hamas and the Palestinians On one side you've got three generations of a family wiped out. On the other, a woman's got to ring Autoglass. And we act like this is battle whose fate is in the balance To start with, why do the news channels ask Tony Blair for his advice on conflict in the Middle East? It’s like asking Gary Glitter for advice on what to do about Jimmy Savile. But somehow it fits with the rest of the coverage. A report yesterday morning began with the sentence: “Rockets have continued to be fired from both sides...” Then, to illustrate this, we saw a demolished building in Gaza in which 11 people had perished, and a woman in Israel standing next to her car with a smashed windscreen. Which goes to show everyone’s suffering, what with three generations of a family getting wiped out on one side, and a woman having to ring Autoglass on the other. Honestly, they’re all as bad as each other. By tomorrow, a spokesman for Israel will be on the news channels saying: “No other country would put up with this. We have citizens worried about losing no claims bonuses. If we don’t flatten their cities, what will we have to put up with next? Broken wing mirrors? Dents in passenger doors? Have you tried getting body repairs in Tel Aviv at short notice? So we have no choice but to destroy a hospital.” Then we’ll see the funeral for the Palestinians, followed by the car owner wailing “O my beautiful laminated darling” as her windscreen gets tipped into a bin. The reason so many get killed, says Benjamin Netanyahu, is that Hamas “hides behind civilians”. Because it’s the duty of anyone who gets assassinated to make sure they’re in a clear, open space at all times so the cruise missile aimed at them doesn’t bump into anyone else. That’s basic health and safety, that is. But Hamas have become even more cunning in this conflict, because the commander the Israelis were aiming at in the building in which those 11 civilians were killed wasn’t there at all. At least if he’d bothered to be where the Israelis thought he was, the civilians would have died for a reason. Now, because he had the cheek to NOT hide behind civilians, they’ve been killed for nothing. There’s no end to their devilish methods is there? But some Israelis are working for a solution. For example ex-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s son, Gilad, wrote in The Jerusalem Post: “To accomplish victory, you need to achieve what the other side can’t bear. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing.” Even if they did drop a nuclear bomb, Netanyahu would say: “The reason so many were killed is Hamas hid Gaza behind its civilians. If they’d moved Gaza to somewhere safe like Greenland, the population would hardly notice a thing, but, as usual, Hamas cared only about propaganda.” Then The Jerusalem Post would report “We’ve done Gaza a huge favour. Now none of their vehicles can move, so they’re spared the misery of trying to repair a broken windscreen.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-20425352 Explosion on a bus in Tel Aviv. Hamas have claimed responsibility. I imagine any possibility of a ceasefire agreement has just decreased to almost nil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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