New Manager Speculation

[sne]

 Championship experience would be right at the bottom of my list when looking for a new manager.

Not saying there are no good managers who have managed here, there obviously are. It's just not something I see as a positive thing.

[HeyAnty]

21 minutes ago, Nigel said:

We have no proof that Henry can play any kind of football!

He is literally just a name!

I think it’s more to do with not wanting Bruce near one of the most opportunistic times i can remember for Villa.  The mans a Dinosaur and would have no vision more than 10 months down the line.

[Stratvillan]

IMO, this isn't the time for a novice.

So do we get rid of Bruce just to get rid of him. I can't agree with that, he has to be replaced by someone better who is available. He failed last year but that doesn't mean every other manager is automatically better. 

The problem is who is available?

wenger as DoF would be amazing It's the only way we should appoint a novice like Henry. 

[tonyh29]

Regarding novice managers

Way I see it the Sherwood gamble failed , but it was obvious early doors he was a charlatan ( but thanks for the cup final and keeping us up)

 

Garde showed us nothing , but there seems to have been all manor of stuff going on at the club at that time , for sure he takes some blame , but the club take the biggest blame  ... but I don''t think he's managed since so that may tell it's own story

then we move to the Tony era ...  RDM , hardly a novice , I think most liked what he did at the Baggies and even what he did at Chelsea when he was assistant to John Terry  ... the signings looked positive in the main ( though costly for what they were) ... but it didn't work so plan B was the experienced  route with Steve Bruce

to a degree it worked , he steadied the ship , then he took the ship on a Saga holiday and picked up a few more passengers on the way , but didn't really create any real blueprint for the club , it was essentially do whatever to get us up and then we will worry about what we do

so , that leads us to now ... more Bruce , tried and tested , a bit boring at times , entertaining at others  ..and probably still no bigger plan than survival with the help of HMS saga

or we say , Hey the second best player to ever play in the premiership (behind Ronaldo) seems to be looking for a management role ..he's spent some time working under Wenger , the Belgium players speak highly of him , he has a footballing philosophy that we could build the club ,especially the youth around .. and we can get him to teach Jack that trick kick with the planted foot ,how to run onto a passed penalty  and how to get the ref to obstruct a wall and let you take an early free kick when nobody is ready  ...

 

of the 2 options , both have risks .. we sorta know what direction Bruce will take us  ... Henry we can only but speculate  ..however , it would be nice if finally we got that novice that makes other clubs say . wish we had got him the jammy gits

 

[TheEgo]

46 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

My opinion is get Wenger on the board as an adviser. Surely that may appeal to him?

Would be great as an adviser to the board

[TheEgo]

53 minutes ago, Nigel said:

We have no proof that Henry can play any kind of football!

He is literally just a name!

Once again people literally ignoring the fact he COACHED at Arsenal, who aren't too shabby in the football department. I think it's a case of seeing what you want to see. 

[TheEgo]

47 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

There are plenty of people who want it to happen, which suggests they’re pretty sure. 

Its an absolutely massive gamble. Might be a genius move, but I just don’t know where people are getting their confidence. Henry has done nothing. 

I know that the season may not be as effected by our finances as we first thought with this new investment, but Henry still feels like an unnecessary gamble. 

First off to want something doesn't equate to knowing how something would be, its just liking the 'idea' of it (we get it you don't, but it is the new manager thread and not the Bruce or a new manager thread) It's not an either or question. We're discussing managers linked/rumored, but it's 100% become about X manager v Bruce. 

You say it yourself, could be a huge gamble or genius, none of us know, some just like the idea. As for what he's done, He's coached at an Premier League team and at a Top 3 World Cup team with superstars in both and has had lots of favourable comments about his coaching, so that isn't 'done nothing' no he hasn't got 4 Championship promotions which now appears to be the only prerequisite for the job.

The last sentence boiled down is what it's really about. You don't want to take a risk as you're happy with Bruce and that's cool, it's your opinion. Others would quite like a new direction

[Nigel]

7 minutes ago, TheEgo said:

Once again people literally ignoring the fact he COACHED at Arsenal, who aren't too shabby in the football department. I think it's a case of seeing what you want to see. 

He also coached at the World Cup with Belgium, and did a great job. But we are not talking about him coming to us as a coach.

[TheEgo]

46 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

When did Viera and Arteta become good managers?

Well Viera has got the Nice job and did very well in the US and good means different things to different people. Arteta was strongly considered for the Arsenal job, so I'd say that makes him most likely worthy of a mention for a Championship club. As I said in my last post, this is a new manager thread. No good Bruce keepers just coming in to shit on any mention of a new manager, because it's just a hypothetical discussion (this isn't aimed at you per se, just a general observation)

[TheEgo]

42 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

That’s fine. But we could try something new that doesn’t involve appointing a complete rookie 

Equally what's wrong with going with a new guy (he's not a complete rookie as I've already alluded to) but yes he's new to a managers gig. Look at Gerrard and Lampard, they all start somewhere. Why not at Villa. Purely a preference isn't it?!

[Cliffy Biro]

12 minutes ago, TheEgo said:

Once again people literally ignoring the fact he COACHED at Arsenal, who aren't too shabby in the football department. I think it's a case of seeing what you want to see. 

But he was saying we dont know what type of football he would play so what has a coaching role somewhere got to do with that, we still wouldn't know.

Also did he ever even actually coach at Arsenal?

[TheEgo]

4 minutes ago, Nigel said:

He also coached at the World Cup with Belgium, and did a great job. But we are not talking about him coming to us as a coach.

We could be if it was a 'head coach'  But as I've said, everyone starts their manager career somewhere. Lampard up the A38 with Derby with literally NO experience, yet Derby fans are delighted and they had Rowett. You sometimes just have to take a chance. For the longet term future of the club, I'd say keeping Bruce is a bigger chance. 

[TheEgo]

4 minutes ago, Cliffy Biro said:

But he was saying we dont know what type of football he would play so what has a coaching role somewhere got to do with that, we still wouldn't know.

Also did he ever even actually coach at Arsenal?

I was replying to the part that said "He is literally just a name!" I should have made that clearer and yes he did

[Stevo985]

11 minutes ago, TheEgo said:

First off to want something doesn't equate to knowing how something would be, its just liking the 'idea' of it (we get it you don't, but it is the new manager thread and not the Bruce or a new manager thread) It's not an either or question. We're discussing managers linked/rumored, but it's 100% become about X manager v Bruce. 

You say it yourself, could be a huge gamble or genius, none of us know, some just like the idea. As for what he's done, He's coached at an Premier League team and at a Top 3 World Cup team with superstars in both and has had lots of favourable comments about his coaching, so that isn't 'done nothing' no he hasn't got 4 Championship promotions which now appears to be the only prerequisite for the job.

The last sentence boiled down is what it's really about. You don't want to take a risk as you're happy with Bruce and that's cool, it's your opinion. Others would quite like a new direction

 

7 minutes ago, TheEgo said:

Well Viera has got the Nice job and did very well in the US and good means different things to different people. Arteta was strongly considered for the Arsenal job, so I'd say that makes him most likely worthy of a mention for a Championship club. As I said in my last post, this is a new manager thread. No good Bruce keepers just coming in to shit on any mention of a new manager, because it's just a hypothetical discussion (this isn't aimed at you per se, just a general observation)

You seem to be labelling me as a “Bruce keeper”. I’m not. I’d happily see him replaced with the right manager, especially if our finances are suddenly a lot better than we thought they were going to be going forward. 

 

I just think people are going a bit ott because this is Thierry Henry. It’s a huge gamble. 

[Stevo985]

7 minutes ago, TheEgo said:

Equally what's wrong with going with a new guy (he's not a complete rookie as I've already alluded to) but yes he's new to a managers gig. Look at Gerrard and Lampard, they all start somewhere. Why not at Villa. Purely a preference isn't it?!

There’s nothing wrong with going for a new guy. Absolutely nothing. You seem to be missing the point. 

My posts were about how people on VT were confident that Henry would work. We know nothing about him as a manager. 

[KJT123]

We need stability...that's why I think we should keep Bruce.

But when we play for the draw at Hull in two weeks time and lose in the last minute from a corner, I'll be wondering why on earth we didn't throw the dice and get in a sparkly new manager.

Honestly, I don't know what I would do. That's why I'll back whatever decision the new owners make.

[Nigel]

I have no problem with a new manager either, just that id rather us play the odds in getting someone who has managed more than me!

[TheEgo]

5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

 

You seem to be labelling me as a “Bruce keeper”. I’m not. I’d happily see him replaced with the right manager, especially if our finances are suddenly a lot better than we thought they were going to be going forward. 

 

I just think people are going a bit ott because this is Thierry Henry. It’s a huge gamble. 

I didn't intend to, I just read it as you'd rather keep Bruce than Have Henry

[TheEgo]

6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

 

You seem to be labelling me as a “Bruce keeper”. I’m not. I’d happily see him replaced with the right manager, especially if our finances are suddenly a lot better than we thought they were going to be going forward. 

 

I just think people are going a bit ott because this is Thierry Henry. It’s a huge gamble. 

Saying it's a Huge Gamble loads, doesn't make it any more of a huge gamble. Any manager now will be a huge gamble. I wonder if people  would be reacting so vehemently if it were Lampard or Terry? I think people are focusing too much on the fact we think he's a name. I'd have loved any of those 3. I'd also of been happy to give Smith a go or the guy from Luton. We desperately need change, like we did off the field, we need it on it too imo

[DaveAV1]

 New managers are always a risk. The bigger clubs in the PL reduce that risk as they can pick from proven managers. Since we are a Championship club that has been badly run for quite a while now, we don’t have that luxury. But that doesn’t mean to say we can’t have an excellent manager, but it means that we have to take a bigger risk by selecting what we believe to be a good manager, but who has yet to prove himself. Who that is, isn’t down to us fans, but hopefully someone behind the scenes is advising our new overlords and they know what they’re doing.