villa4europe Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 I don't think it's corruption I do just think its genuinely baffling how it's been allowed to get this bad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo's Socks Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 48 minutes ago, KentVillan said: I agree with you on delayed celebrations but think people are forgetting how big the injustices used to be pre VAR. Vidic not getting sent off in the 2010 league cup final. De Jong staying on the pitch in the 2010 WC final. Maradona’s hand of god, Henry’s hand ball vs Ireland. Ghost goals. VAR mistakes are frustrating because it’s so hard to understand how they’ve happened, but much worse mistakes used to be made routinely before it came in. Massively wrong offside calls, big fouls missed, etc. I think we should keep VAR but have specialist video referees who aren’t drawn from the match referee pool, and aren’t mates with the match referees. And by the way, I still blame Dunne pissing around for their first goal more than Vidic not getting a red 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 54 minutes ago, KentVillan said: Vidic not getting sent off in the 2010 league cup final. That's actually why I'm against VAR and don't think it will ever work Dowd saw the foul, he understood the circumstances perfectly... Yet he decided not to send him off due to "it being too early in the game"* which is completely against the rules but he took that decision anyway, what would VAR change? He saw it, he chose to apply his interpretation or his own rule in that given moment And football will always be plagued by that, a hand on salahs shoulder causes his knees to give way when we all know it shouldn't, VAR won't fix it, looking at it 10 times doesn't fix it, VAR does nothing for consistency either as it's still all down to interpretation and opinion, all it's done is added another layer of bullshit *did he ever actually say that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 12, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, villa4europe said: That's actually why I'm against VAR and don't think it will ever work Dowd saw the foul, he understood the circumstances perfectly... Yet he decided not to send him off due to "it being too early in the game"* which is completely against the rules but he took that decision anyway, what would VAR change? He saw it, he chose to apply his interpretation or his own rule in that given moment And football will always be plagued by that, a hand on salahs shoulder causes his knees to give way when we all know it shouldn't, VAR won't fix it, looking at it 10 times doesn't fix it, VAR does nothing for consistency either as it's still all down to interpretation and opinion, all it's done is added another layer of bullshit *did he ever actually say that? I don’t think he said that, but that’s the assumption everyone has made, and rightly so imo. I’m also pretty sure if that was a villa defender on Rooney then it would have been a red. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I don't think it's corruption I do just think its genuinely baffling how it's been allowed to get this bad Apparently the refs were against bringing it in and seem to be the ones undermining it If they didnt want it the Premier League should have scrapped the idea or removed the refs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 42 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I don’t think he said that, but that’s the assumption everyone has made, and rightly so imo. I’m also pretty sure if that was a villa defender on Rooney then it would have been a red. I'm pretty sure he did say that. That a red so early in the game would ruin the final or some other farce of an excuse 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said: I'm pretty sure he did say that. That a red so early in the game would ruin the final or some other farce of an excuse That's what I've read and always remembered but I'm not sure if he did ever say it Like I said VAR wouldn't change that decision because it wouldnt change that opinion, it would still be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 47 minutes ago, Zatman said: Apparently the refs were against bringing it in and seem to be the ones undermining it If they didnt want it the Premier League should have scrapped the idea or removed the refs Just have a different group of refs who specialise in VAR. We have specialist linesmen, why not specialist video refs. They’re a little cartel at the moment, looking after each other. (And no, specialist video ref doesn’t mean Lee Mason retiring from wobbling around a pitch and then being handed the VAR controls as his pension plan. Give it to someone who knows how to use the technology properly and isn’t blind.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, villa4europe said: That's what I've read and always remembered but I'm not sure if he did ever say it Like I said VAR wouldn't change that decision because it wouldnt change that opinion, it would still be wrong I think it might have been the assessor that said it. Looking back all these years later with a clearer head, I think Gabby was probably too wide from the goal so he could get away with calling it not a clear goalscoring opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 12, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 12, 2023 On 05/02/2023 at 01:31, Zatman said: More comedy than farce in La Liga tonight. Correa had a goal disallowed and he was taken off, VAR awards the goal and he is celebrating on the bench wearing a coat I wonder would he have been booked for taking his shirt off To be fair I’ve seen this now and the only thing wrong with it is the length of time it took to make the decision. A goal wrongly ruled out was eventually given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 12, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 12, 2023 It would be instantly improved by moving away from the clear and obvious error nonsense. Say what you see. A mistake is a mistake. Call it. It's idiotic really. I can see it's a mistake so now I'm going to use totally subjective personal opinion to decide if the error I and everyone else has seen is bad enough for me to overrule it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 43 minutes ago, sidcow said: It would be instantly improved by moving away from the clear and obvious error nonsense. Say what you see. A mistake is a mistake. Call it. It's idiotic really. I can see it's a mistake so now I'm going to use totally subjective personal opinion to decide if the error I and everyone else has seen is bad enough for me to overrule it. Clear and obvious is pure spiel, they use it to create enough of a grey area to do whatever the **** they want The worrying thing is they've rewritten the handball and offside rules to enable them to do the same with those too and therein lies the problem with PGMOL, absolutely zero accountability, it's never them despite it always being them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Wonder if come thr end of the season Arsenal miss out on the title by one point (to Man City) and Brighton miss out on Europe by one point if there would be an uproar. I mean saying sorry doesn’t really make up for millions of lost money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) Completely bypassing whatever has been already said, as I've not ventured in much. Someone needs to take control of VAR, it's getting worse. When it came in, the big talking points were offside and the debate of whether a few cm is offside or common sense on advantage to the attacker should be given. Now we have mistake after mistake where whoever in control gets it completely wrong. Its not even favouring certain teams* , they are simply getting obvious calls wrong. *I'm not saying they don't favour teams, as its pretty obvious they will give decisions to some and not to others and spend a lot longer to find fault for some. However the plain wrong decisions are indiscriminate. Edited February 12, 2023 by AlwaysAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 The refs in the league need to get in the bin, they can’t and won’t regulate each other properly. Arsenal should sue if it costs them the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 8 hours ago, villa4europe said: I don't think it's corruption I do just think its genuinely baffling how it's been allowed to get this bad I agree. I don’t think it’s corruption. It’s incompetance and big club bias on steroids. And the outcome is pretty much the same as had it been corruption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 53 minutes ago, El Zen said: I agree. I don’t think it’s corruption. It’s incompetance and big club bias on steroids. And the outcome is pretty much the same as had it been corruption. Yeah, it's always been tilted towards Brentford and West Ham. About time things changed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, bobzy said: Yeah, it's always been tilted towards Brentford and West Ham. About time things changed! Knew that would come Doesn’t change the fact, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 I'm a fan of Simon Jordan on Talksport, but I'm sure he must have shares in VAR, his defence of VAR an the staff is mind boggling from him. "Human error is all it is, an you will never be able to eradicate it like in any industry". Forgetting to put the lines on to check offside is incompetence, like forgetting to press your brakes on your car to slow down, not good enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: I'm a fan of Simon Jordan on Talksport, but I'm sure he must have shares in VAR, his defence of VAR an the staff is mind boggling from him. "Human error is all it is, an you will never be able to eradicate it like in any industry". Forgetting to put the lines on to check offside is incompetence, like forgetting to press your brakes on your car to slow down, not good enough! So... human error, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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