HanoiVillan Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Genie said: If/when Russia break into Kyiv, they get into the presidential building and there stands Zelensky. What do they do? Kill him? That would clearly spark a reaction from Europe, the West and NATO wouldn’t it? Detain him? That would be extremely messy too. Maybe this unwinnable situation partially explains why Russia are slow to take the capital? When do they do when they finally get inside the city walls. Either killing him or detaining him would work just fine. Probably send him to a Russian prison to await a 'fair trial' and then have him meet an accident inside, if I had to guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Just now, HanoiVillan said: Either killing him or detaining him would work just fine. Probably send him to a Russian prison to await a 'fair trial' and then have him meet an accident inside, if I had to guess. What are they gonna charge him with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Genie said: What are they gonna charge him with? Whatever they want to, the truth of the matter is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Genie said: What are they gonna charge him with? whatever they want I suppose? Being a nazi? Perpetrating war crimes? It doesn't have to be true, or even make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Just now, Chindie said: Whatever they want to, the truth of the matter is irrelevant. I disagree. Its hard go see how taking Kyiv doesn’t end up in escalation from others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Genie said: I disagree. Its hard go see how taking Kyiv doesn’t end up in escalation from others. If by 'escalation' you mean more sanctions, more isolating Russia, more angry words, then sure. There's not going to be a military escalation, for the same reason there hasn't been one yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: If by 'escalation' you mean more sanctions, more isolating Russia, more angry words, then sure. There's not going to be a military escalation, for the same reason there hasn't been one yet. I hope not, but I suspect that killing or detaining a completely innocent leader of a democratic European country might cross a line. And the justification will be that the risk of Russia progressing beyond Ukraine is too high not to act now. I pray it doesn’t come to that, but I think once Russia get into Kyiv it’ll get very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 12, 2022 Russia could turn the entirety of Ukraine into a sheet of glass and all they would earn is increased sanctions and isolation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Satellite images on TV show that the Ukrainians have flooded the areas Russia have occupied north of Kiev. In combination with attacking the head and end of columns this is extremely effective in stopping any advance. Off the top of my head Ukraine must be getting intel and assistance from NATO strategists. Everything they seem to be doing is like out of a book on defensive manouvering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, Chindie said: Russia could turn the entirety of Ukraine into a sheet of glass and all they would earn is increased sanctions and isolation. I was gonna say, what is the world gonna do if they take Kiev, kidnap Zelenski? Join the war, flatten Russia, cause WW3? They won't do anything, just stand and watch like they have been. Biden has already said it's not our war (which I thought was strange for a world leader), but most will follow. I just hope we don't start giving it the biggun, when most including Nato are staying out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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foreveryoung Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Satellite images on TV show that the Ukrainians have flooded the areas Russia have occupied north of Kiev. In combination with attacking the head and end of columns this is extremely effective in stopping any advance. Off the top of my head Ukraine must be getting intel and assistance from NATO strategists. Everything they seem to be doing is like out of a book on defensive manouvering. They will be, from Nato special forces, who are blatantly helping out on the ground. We would all like to think it, but there is no way the Ukrainians are doing this all this on there own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 12, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2022 No way of verifying this I guess but amusing nonetheless 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Just now, bickster said: No way of verifying this I guess but amusing nonetheless Sounds like the Ukrainian tank stealing John Deere brigade again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 12, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: They will be, from Nato special forces, who are blatantly helping out on the ground. I think this is wrong. There's no way any NATO country currently has boots on the ground, should anyone of them be found by Russia WW3 will officially have started and NATO are trying to avoid that at any cost. Will they be getting tactical assistance abd intelligence? I would imagine yes but boots on the ground? not at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 6 hours ago, bickster said: Respect is earned Alternatively, respect is lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 A point that bears repeating - Ukrainians who speak Russian as their first language (Zelensky is one of them!) don’t necessarily identify as Russian, or sympathise with Russia, or feel any affection towards Putin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 hours ago, bickster said: I think this is wrong. There's no way any NATO country currently has boots on the ground, should anyone of them be found by Russia WW3 will officially have started and NATO are trying to avoid that at any cost. Will they be getting tactical assistance abd intelligence? I would imagine yes but boots on the ground? not at all I’m not so sure - retired special forces guys volunteering? Or “trainers” operating in relatively safe regions of western Ukraine? These both seem fairly plausible to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Can somebody summarise where we’re at with this war? I was led to believe the Russians would take Ukraine in a few days with Ukraine surrendering… Why hasn’t this happened…? Are Ukraine…winning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Genie said: What are they gonna charge him with? Not making any subs before the 80th minute 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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