villa89 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Andrei better steer clear of any staircase or window with that kind of talk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Will Putin keep treating or will at some point call it a day? I can’t see how he’s going to turn the tide. Apart from nukes he’s doesn’t have anything to change the course of this war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) It’s worth opening this tweet and reading the whole thread. Sounds like tonight might be an absolute disaster for the Russians. Edited November 10, 2022 by Panto_Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Another good thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Funny if true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2022 Sum it up in one word... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Did they really do that crap TV show announcing the withdrawal to the world before telling their own troops? This leadership could only get worse if they decide to deliberately shell their own troops, which at this stage is not an impossibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Are they (Russia) saying this is an act of goodwill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Withdrawal went to plan as far as I can see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 11, 2022 Remember those enormous columns of armour and troops rolling across the border at the start of this. A swift Russian victory seemed inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 46 minutes ago, Straggler said: Did they really do that crap TV show announcing the withdrawal to the world before telling their own troops? This leadership could only get worse if they decide to deliberately shell their own troops, which at this stage is not an impossibility. Putin clearly made them do that show so he can distance himself. He declared Kherson was Russian "forever" a few weeks ago. Sergei Shoigu will be taking the blame for everything. Will the army accept this or rise uo against Putin?. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: Putin clearly made them do that show so he can distance himself. He declared Kherson was Russian "forever" a few weeks ago. Sergei Shoigu will be taking the blame for everything. Will the army accept this or rise uo against Putin?. I think there's a quote from a Putin spokesman yesterday saying that Putin left it to Shoigu and the generals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Straggler said: This leadership could only get worse if they decide to deliberately shell their own troops, which at this stage is not an impossibility. The actual plan to evacuate Kherson was clearly made a while ago and the generals planning it did the right thing, they reinforced the Left bank, three trench lines, concrete pills boxes every 100 meters or so, so troops on the left bank could cover those retreating across the river But I can't believe the public announcement was part of the plan as the final orders to retreat clearly hadn't been given and the NCOs and junior officers on the right bank clearly aren't capable of on the spot decision making (that is perfectly in line with Russian doctrine) There's also a lot of other dumb stuff too, the Russians spent the last few days scuttling or removing outboard motors from all the civilian boats moored in Kherson, when there is a shortage of.... boats It's basically become every man for himself on the right bank and they've herded themselves like sheep onto the riverbank waiting to cross, they are sitting ducks That death count tomorrow is going to be the highest we've ever seen by some margin and it will now really only be a guess The Russians also blew the railway bridge last night, which was the only way they had to get any heavy ordnance off the right bank. They probably needed to when they did it but they should have been getting it out of there slowly without the announcement being made The importance to Putin of the home front propaganda over the lives of his men, his countrymen, the rump of his experienced contracted soldiers has cost them dearly WIthout the strength on the left bank, they really might just have opened up Crimea and to defend the left bank, they will have to rapidly strengthen it but from where? It can only be strengthened with the mobilised and they won't last long and more importantly it will significantly weaken the other fronts. This really could be a massive turning point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, bickster said: I think there's a quote from a Putin spokesman yesterday saying that Putin left it to Shoigu and the generals Its the elite in and around Putin that have the final say as far as I know. Once they lose confidence in their master strategist then he's gone. Who gives the message doesn't matter, the result matters and its a retreat. It matters deeply to the elite, they look like absolute words removed no matter how they frame it and they know it. A retreat and running away scared of Ukraine is what it is. Maybe it actually dawned on them that Ukraine are basically NATO trained now, they can't win and they realise this now. (Someone in Russia must have thought at some point, "Imagine if it was NATO, we be dead in a day"). In boxing terms Russia is have a bit of a Peter McNeeley moment, shouting and threats will only get you so far. Only now do they realise they might have made a small error of judgment in February but now it's getting real. Putin has stopped popping things at Ukraine also, they won't get through anymore since the new Anti Missile stuff arrived. This is the turning point but Ukraine need to keep going, easy targets they are now, running away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, bickster said: The actual plan to evacuate Kherson was clearly made a while ago and the generals planning it did the right thing, they reinforced the Left bank, three trench lines, concrete pills boxes every 100 meters or so, so troops on the left bank could cover those retreating across the river But I can't believe the public announcement was part of the plan as the final orders to retreat clearly hadn't been given and the NCOs and junior officers on the right bank clearly aren't capable of on the spot decision making (that is perfectly in line with Russian doctrine) There's also a lot of other dumb stuff too, the Russians spent the last few days scuttling or removing outboard motors from all the civilian boats moored in Kherson, when there is a shortage of.... boats It's basically become every man for himself on the right bank and they've herded themselves like sheep onto the riverbank waiting to cross, they are sitting ducks That death count tomorrow is going to be the highest we've ever seen by some margin and it will now really only be a guess The Russians also blew the railway bridge last night, which was the only way they had to get any heavy ordnance off the right bank. They probably needed to when they did it but they should have been getting it out of there slowly without the announcement being made The importance to Putin of the home front propaganda over the lives of his men, his countrymen, the rump of his experienced contracted soldiers has cost them dearly WIthout the strength on the left bank, they really might just have opened up Crimea and to defend the left bank, they will have to rapidly strengthen it but from where? It can only be strengthened with the mobilised and they won't last long and more importantly it will significantly weaken the other fronts. This really could be a massive turning point Realistically it’d be extremely difficult for the Ukrainians to attack over the river though, even against a Russian force in disarray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 They want to speed up those repairs on the Kerch bridge before Ukraine come for Crimea Penny for Putlers thoughts right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: Realistically it’d be extremely difficult for the Ukrainians to attack over the river though, even against a Russian force in disarray. They may not need to attack over the river. Russia will have to pull a significant amount of troops from somewhere to defend the left bank regardless of Ukraines intended direction of attack. That in itself could be the house of cards collapsing. If weaknesses now appear around Zaporizhya, they could punch through behind the newly created defence lines. There's no way the ground between there and the south of the Dnipro is heavily defended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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