ciggiesnbeer Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 17 hours ago, Zatman said: Ipswich had no money as Evans stopped investing after Keane wasted the money. He spent 3 million on 81 players in 6 years at Ipswich. Living off loans and free transfers Correct. But they have been solvent. I wasn't exaggerating, we may have less to spend than Ipswich next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted July 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2018 Let’s be honest. Apart from the odd interview after a very poor performance he does tend to come across as some sort of victim in interviews. As if his job over the past 2 seasons is an impossible task and he is doing the club a favour being there. That’s the impression I get at times. He knows what he is doing with every interview. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 7 hours ago, TRO said: so, the nose over the line is all that matters........ok fine. so if England don't win the World cup?....its all pants. give me a break sheepy. good grief, here we go again. Very poor analogy. England were not expected to win the world cup, and if they do it will be an outstanding achievement. Villa on the other hand had all the tools available to get promoted and the objective and expectation was just that. So yes, nose over the line was everything. Winning games, squad harmony, nice bloke etc, all worthless without promotion, as we are now seeing. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 8 hours ago, TRO said: so, the nose over the line is all that matters........ok fine. so if England don't win the World cup?....its all pants. give me a break sheepy. We only sing if we win it! 53 minutes ago, TheStagMan said: good grief, here we go again. Very poor analogy. England were not expected to win the world cup, and if they do it will be an outstanding achievement. Villa on the other hand had all the tools available to get promoted and the objective and expectation was just that. So yes, nose over the line was everything. Winning games, squad harmony, nice bloke etc, all worthless without promotion, as we are now seeing. It was a great analogy imo. Obviously, with the mess we find ourselves in now it seems Xia took this hardline-on-expectation approach too where winning was everything. Despite everyone on here understanding the statistical probability of that outcome being small. There are a lot of fans, me included, who did not expect a top 2 finish last year. Or to put it another way, I agree on the England bit but the Villa bit is not how I see it. Be a shame if England go out and lose the 3rd/4th place play off match. then it would become a really good analogy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheStagMan said: good grief, here we go again. Very poor analogy. England were not expected to win the world cup, and if they do it will be an outstanding achievement. Villa on the other hand had all the tools available to get promoted and the objective and expectation was just that. So yes, nose over the line was everything. Winning games, squad harmony, nice bloke etc, all worthless without promotion, as we are now seeing. Slow down Stag man......I never expected villa to go up.....i hoped we would. You and others may have done buts thats your expectation....i don't take anything for granted in football.....Brazil was expected to win the world cup, but bingo, they are out....Fulham were in 10th position before Mitrovic arrived, so their team wasn't right up to that point. expectation can be deliver a bag of disappointment and with it comes a barrow load of recriminations. I was never wholly convinced in all of our players, i think 4th was about right. but yes the manager has to be responsible for the first eleven, i have never argued with that. lets hope for my perspective we can attract some players more conducive with this league.....more power and strength, some big guys in key positions that we too can prosper from set pieces......more areial power for me. Edited July 11, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 9 hours ago, TRO said: so, the nose over the line is all that matters........ok fine. so if England don't win the World cup?....its all pants. give me a break sheepy. You're contrasting the expectations of England's world cup adventure, to our promotion Chance's last season ? No. What about, you give me s break ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, sheepyvillian said: You're contrasting the expectations of England's world cup adventure, to our promotion Chance's last season ? No. What about, you give me s break ? Well i never expected villa to go up......i hoped we would. there's the difference of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, TRO said: Well i never expected villa to go up......i hoped we would. there's the difference of opinion. Course you didn't . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 9 hours ago, TRO said: so, the nose over the line is all that matters........ok fine. so if England don't win the World cup?....its all pants. give me a break sheepy. If England don’t win the World Cup I will tear off my Gareth Southgate waistcoat, jump and down on in it in rage and call loudly for his dismissal. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: Course you didn't . I am being serious......if you sat with me during the season, i would have explained during every home game. There were shortfalls for all to see......i don't want to get in to criticising individual players, but in terms of consistency we were not good enough. Its gone now and despite the near miss....and financial straight jacket, i hope we can attract some players like Bamba and Morrison to give us power in the air, for the forthcoming season. Edited July 11, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 30 minutes ago, TRO said: I am being serious......if you sat with me during the season, i would have explained during every home game. You should have come in here and said mate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VILLAMARV Posted July 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2018 37 minutes ago, briny_ear said: If England don’t win the World Cup I will tear off my Gareth Southgate waistcoat, jump and down on in it in rage and call loudly for his dismissal. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Demitri_C Posted July 11, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2018 On 10/07/2018 at 09:53, omariqy said: That interview on Sky Sports is absolute scandalous IMO. To go on about how desperate we are that we will have to sell Jack, Chester and Kodjia, to actually name them, to then go on about how we won't get hardly anything for them, to then say clubs can just wait till deadline day to pick them up and then finally to question whether the owner (his boss) actually is a fraud or not is absolutely atrocious. He completely absolves himself of any blame of not getting us up last season and has mentioned things that, yes, we could have guessed but adds no benefit to the club and its fans. All it does is make him look better when it inevitably goes wrong. He did it last season and plenty of people fell for it it and continue to do so. He had no money apparently but still spent £20m odd in Jan in his first season and the equivalent wage budget of more than half of the champ teams for just his new signings. I disagree completely. He was telling it how it is. Im sick of the lies and I am happy bruce had the balls to tell us the truth. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: I disagree completely. He was telling it how it is. Im sick of the lies and I am happy bruce had the balls to tell us the truth. I bet all other clubs are happy he had the balls too. Not that they needed Bruce to tel them how bad the situation was but the confirmation might be enough to lower bids by a few million here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I bet all other clubs are happy he had the balls too. Not that they needed Bruce to tel them how bad the situation was but the confirmation might be enough to lower bids by a few million here and there. Well if they and everyone else already knew, why would you get upset at Bruce speaking the truth? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted July 11, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: I disagree completely. He was telling it how it is. Im sick of the lies and I am happy bruce had the balls to tell us the truth. and maybe publicly naming them could be an attempt to start a bidding war? do people really think he would have given such a candid interview without consulting the owners first? but of course, as others have said, people will find any old stick to beat him with 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, TreeVillan said: Well if they and everyone else already knew, why would you get upset at Bruce speaking the truth? Who said I was upset? I couldn’t care less what he has to say. It’s all meaningless edit: I do think If I was the owner of a company I wouldn’t be to happy with one of my key employees telling the world and our rivals how much of a mess we are in. second edit: just read the interview. @tomav84 is right. It does seem the club have asked him to put a for sale sign up for Kodija, Chester and Grealish. Would be bizarre for him to name them otherwise. Sad times. Edited July 11, 2018 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, tomav84 said: and maybe publicly naming them could be an attempt to start a bidding war? do people really think he would have given such a candid interview without consulting the owners first? but of course, as others have said, people will find any old stick to beat him with Wouldn’t surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: second edit: just read the interview. @tomav84 is right. It does seem the club have asked him to put a for sale sign up for Kodija, Chester and Grealish. Would be bizarre for him to name them otherwise. Sad times. Surely we need to clear out the dead wood first. Richards, Gil, De Leat, Taylor, McCormack, Tshibola etc. first before selling off our good stock? Wouldn't suprise me to see him **** this up too selling our assets, leave us with high earning deadwood wage thiefs, and resign a week before the season starts and self proclaiming that he financially saved us by selling Grealish and the like and acting like a 2nd coming. I can see it all now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighavfc Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I think you missed my point completely. Im not in the pro Bruce camp so dont quite understand your comments.. 1. Who caused the "clusterf***k" solely Bruce? or a combination of him the board and players? Lets remember they are not completly blameless in all this. So disagree with that. In a way i feel sorry for him having to be the one breaking this news as Xia should have done this days earlier when he wrote us a letter.... i only feel bad for him for this reasons as clearly stated. 2. Yeah maybe we should have got a better manager... hindsight is great aint it ? At the time i would have said Bruce was one of the better candidates with his track record.. again hindsight has told us otherwise but its easy looking back isnt it? 3. How many managers spunk money... they all get some wrong.. even fergie.. disagree again.. 4. Last point is absolute nonsense so i wont even bother trying to answer that.. Can take your fingers out your ears and put the reading glasses on now sarky.... Edited July 11, 2018 by leighavfc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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