Grasshopper Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Tommo_b said: Why was selling Baker baffling, he wasn’t very good! Because during Baker‘s career at Villa he had Okore, Richards, Lescott alongside him as well as the likes of Richardson & Cissohko along side him and no worthy DM (Sanchez, Westwood, Gardner) in front of him Last season, maybe his level, he had Chester as a CB partner, Amavi, Taylor alongside him & Jedi as DM, and looked an effective player for us. Richards, Elphick and Samba look and have looked awful. They are all now, in reverse order, our options while JT is out. If it was a SB decision, or even just a „ok, he can go, we have adequate back up in Samba, Elphick & Richards“ then it was an almighty cock-up that will no doubt cost us dearly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I can also see Bruce giving a new contract to Hutton. Maybe Gaby too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Another thing to shudder at the very thought of. Come May, and promotion is an out of reach dream we will have a possible squad of GK Steer (SJ back at ManU or sold to a PL side) RB - Hutton (new contract) & Elmo (Bree & RDL sold off) CB - Samba, Elphick & Richards (Chester sold to PL club - JT loan ends) LB - Thor No-one as Back up (Taylor is sold to PL team) DM - Jedi & Whelan RW - Elmo (Snod loan ends - Adomah sold back to Boro) no back up CM - Thor & Lansbury (CH sold to PL team - Onomah loan ends) LW - Green. no backup AM - Grealish & McC CF - Hogan & Flabby (contract renewed) JK sold - KD contract refused Just imagine: JS Hutton Elphick Samba Thor Elmo Whelan Jedi Green Grealish Gaby Subs GK? Richards ? ? ? McC Hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Grasshopper said: Because during Baker‘s career at Villa he had Okore, Richards, Lescott alongside him as well as the likes of Richardson & Cissohko along side him and no worthy DM (Sanchez, Westwood, Gardner) in front of him Last season, maybe his level, he had Chester as a CB partner, Amavi, Taylor alongside him & Jedi as DM, and looked an effective player for us. Richards, Elphick and Samba look and have looked awful. They are all now, in reverse order, our options while JT is out. If it was a SB decision, or even just a „ok, he can go, we have adequate back up in Samba, Elphick & Richards“ then it was an almighty cock-up that will no doubt cost us dearly Everyone seems to have forgotten that Baker is a man, with a mouth and decision making skills. He was offered first team football at a place he was familiar with. He took it. It's not Bruces fault the club had Elphick & Richards on the books, and from what we know it was very much the 11th hour that the Elphick deal fell through and replacement coming in. Baker fills we with as much dread as Samba, Elphick & Richards anyway. He was a donkey with a lions heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 So, was just speculating when this thread will get to 1250 pages. Slightly tricky because during an international break there will be nothing actually to talk about. Will that have an effect? so Sat 18th, Sun 19th or Mon20th??? And what proportion of posts will be from a contributor whose name begins with G? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 11 hours ago, Grasshopper said: Elmo is not a natural defender Bree & RDL are. Just because they may be seen as natural rbs, does not mean they will be better there. For me elmo is doing good there, see no reason to move him just yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, briny_ear said: So, was just speculating when this thread will get to 1250 pages. Slightly tricky because during an international break there will be nothing actually to talk about. Will that have an effect? so Sat 18th, Sun 19th or Mon20th??? And what proportion of posts will be from a contributor whose name begins with G? Well at least you‘re not disagreeing with what I posted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 9 hours ago, Grasshopper said: Steve Bruce, Manager of Aston Villa Football Club. Unbelievable Jeff! I clicked like for this moment alone GH... Said in my head in the Kamara style! The rest of your big post, I can agree with parts of it, but in some places I wonder if you had just had a row with your partner/missus etc? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 3 hours ago, villan_007 said: Everyone seems to have forgotten that Baker is a man, with a mouth and decision making skills. He was offered first team football at a place he was familiar with. He took it. true Quote It's not Bruces fault the club had Elphick & Richards on the books, and from what we know it was very much the 11th hour that the Elphick deal fell through and replacement coming in. correct Quote Baker fills we with as much dread as Samba, Elphick & Richards anyway. He was a donkey with a lions heart. Did you not see him play last season? He went to BristolC didnt he? Are they above us despite him? I remember when he played v us this season. He didn‘t hoof it once, he also had as good a game (if not better) than both Terry & Chester. opinions and all that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 On 07/11/2017 at 20:36, TRO said: We need extra cover in midfield so we play 4-3-3.....could you explain that, please Not rocket science 433 attacking 451 defending We've been playing 4411 or basic 442. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted November 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2017 11 hours ago, Grasshopper said: Another thing to shudder at the very thought of. Come May, and promotion is an out of reach dream we will have a possible squad of GK Steer (SJ back at ManU or sold to a PL side) RB - Hutton (new contract) & Elmo (Bree & RDL sold off) CB - Samba, Elphick & Richards (Chester sold to PL club - JT loan ends) LB - Thor No-one as Back up (Taylor is sold to PL team) DM - Jedi & Whelan RW - Elmo (Snod loan ends - Adomah sold back to Boro) no back up CM - Thor & Lansbury (CH sold to PL team - Onomah loan ends) LW - Green. no backup AM - Grealish & McC CF - Hogan & Flabby (contract renewed) JK sold - KD contract refused Just imagine: JS Hutton Elphick Samba Thor Elmo Whelan Jedi Green Grealish Gaby Subs GK? Richards ? ? ? McC Hogan I'll address all the 'sold to PL team' initially...if we don't go up, are you that convinced that a PL team would take a punt on any of our players? GK - agree RB - would have no problem with new contract for hutton based on recent performances; bree i am not convinced about so happy to get rid; not sure why RDL would be sold? CB - is terry on loan? i thought we had him on a free. in any case, as long as he's not playing against chelsea, why wouldnt he stay? LB - hutton proven he can be backup CM - agree re: onomah; see earlier point on CH RW - snod wants a move, we will likely try and get him on a permanent deal; and why would we sell adomah to a fellow championship rival? LW - snod, adomah, and grelish can play LW AM - same as LW CF - think KD will sign new deal; JK most likely to go so will need cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, tomav84 said: I'll address all the 'sold to PL team' initially...if we don't go up, are you that convinced that a PL team would take a punt on any of our players? GK - agree RB - would have no problem with new contract for hutton based on recent performances; bree i am not convinced about so happy to get rid; not sure why RDL would be sold? CB - is terry on loan? i thought we had him on a free. in any case, as long as he's not playing against chelsea, why wouldnt he stay? LB - hutton proven he can be backup CM - agree re: onomah; see earlier point on CH RW - snod wants a move, we will likely try and get him on a permanent deal; and why would we sell adomah to a fellow championship rival? LW - snod, adomah, and grelish can play LW AM - same as LW CF - think KD will sign new deal; JK most likely to go so will need cover admittedly that was a worst case..... but we‘ve seen how players can make a mass exodus before. For example - what if Moyes wants Snodgrass back from loan? that would really mess us up. by your theory Hutton would be playing RB & LB. long and short of it is We are not in a position to get promoted with what we‘ve got. So how are we going to achieve it with 1- losing some of our better player 2- ffp limiting our (over-)spending ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Grasshopper said: admittedly that was a worst case..... but we‘ve seen how players can make a mass exodus before. For example - what if Moyes wants Snodgrass back from loan? that would really mess us up. by your theory Hutton would be playing RB & LB. long and short of it is We are not in a position to get promoted with what we‘ve got. So how are we going to achieve it with 1- losing some of our better player 2- ffp limiting our (over-)spending ? Gh ,just a little something to lighten the tone . I'm coming out of shop in Droitwhich,today . Who do I see coming towards me ? Only the fastest winger to ever walk the earth ,yeah ,who else ,but , Tony Daley . I'm like , " tell me that's our Tony ,from back in the day " he's like , " it sure is " . The crazy thing is, he looks like he could play now ,that's how well he looked . The gutting thing is ,I was so overawed, that I forgot to get a photo ,and by the time it came into my thick swede ,he'd gone . I did ask him if he still bleeds Claret and Blue, " of course " was his reply , silly question really ,especially to an Astonian. What a legend . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Quote BRUCE DEMENTIA FEARS Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce to undergo test for signs of dementia after heading footballs during 20-year playing career EXCLUSIVE By Ken Lawrence 8th November 2017, 11:44 pm Updated: 9th November 2017, 4:34 am STEVE BRUCE is ready to undergo tests for signs of dementia. The Aston Villa boss was renowned for his often bloody bravery in both boxes as a centre-half. Now, alerted by fears expressed by Alan Shearer over the dangers of heading the ball, Bruce accepts he should have doctors examine him. Bruce, 56 - who made 926 appearances over two decades for Manchester United, Norwich, Gillingham and Birmingham - said: “Luckily I never had to head one of the old, heavy balls. “But I was always getting head wounds. And when I think about it I reckon I should get myself checked out. “There is a point to be proved over this issue because while we as managers get checked out for stuff like blood pressure or heart rate there are no checks for dementia.” https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4874363/aston-villa-steve-bruce-heading-footballs/ Must resist urge to make bad jokes... Edited November 9, 2017 by sne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 24 minutes ago, sne said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4874363/aston-villa-steve-bruce-heading-footballs/ Must resist urge to make bad jokes... That explains things then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 12 hours ago, villan_007 said: Everyone seems to have forgotten that Baker is a man, with a mouth and decision making skills. He was offered first team football at a place he was familiar with. He took it. It's not Bruces fault the club had Elphick & Richards on the books, and from what we know it was very much the 11th hour that the Elphick deal fell through and replacement coming in. Baker fills we with as much dread as Samba, Elphick & Richards anyway. He was a donkey with a lions heart. Samba's a donkey with a donkeys heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 6 hours ago, tomav84 said: I'll address all the 'sold to PL team' initially...if we don't go up, are you that convinced that a PL team would take a punt on any of our players? GK - agree RB - would have no problem with new contract for hutton based on recent performances; bree i am not convinced about so happy to get rid; not sure why RDL would be sold? CB - is terry on loan? i thought we had him on a free. in any case, as long as he's not playing against chelsea, why wouldnt he stay? LB - hutton proven he can be backup CM - agree re: onomah; see earlier point on CH RW - snod wants a move, we will likely try and get him on a permanent deal; and why would we sell adomah to a fellow championship rival? LW - snod, adomah, and grelish can play LW AM - same as LW CF - think KD will sign new deal; JK most likely to go so will need cover Doesn't exactly fill one with optimism, does it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I see there's talk of players we will lose if we don't get promoted. I accept if no promotion this year we are in this league for several years. Complete rebuild will be needed starting with tha manager and coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I see there's talk of players we will lose if we don't get promoted. I accept if no promotion this year we are in this league for several years. Complete rebuild will be needed starting with tha manager and coaching staff. why wait till the end of the season? We should start the rebuild now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicVillan Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 hour ago, sheepyvillian said: That explains things then. No wonder he's forgotten what flee flowing attacking football looks like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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