TRO Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I don't believe tactics or formations are the problem. It's purely down to confidence. You lack confidence you do the basics wrong. You stop wanting the ball and therefore there is no movement. We don't hoof the ball long because it's Bruce's plan. We hoof it because all the team shy away from passes. Nobody moves or comes to the ball. Bruce can not inspire this bunch. We don't need need a tactical modern manager we need a f**king shrink. The doc is clearly angry. Thats much how i saw it. however, we had confidence against Norwich.....if teams stand off us and lets us play, like Norwich did, we are ok.....if a team like Brentford get in our faces, we are ******. Lack of passion, desire,urgency and combative spirit. And not much idea what to do to correct it. Edited September 9, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 We need a a top quality manager, a pep or Mourinho,, Unfortunately there is no chance or hope for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I would argue we need a MON. He was no tactical genius and he didn't even know a top player when he saw them. But he made an average player think they were the best player around. He made every player on the pitch run run their socks off. He made a team feel unbeatable. Desperate times call for desperate measures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I would argue we need a MON. He was no tactical genius and he didn't even know a top player when he saw them. But he made an average player think they were the best player around. He made every player on the pitch run run their socks off. He made a team feel unbeatable. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Maybe in the ole days. But he mugged it at Sunderland as soon as he knew there would be no 100 million to spend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Maybe in the ole days. But he mugged it at Sunderland as soon as he knew there would be no 100 million to spend. He actually blew a lot of money at Sunderland. Doing ok for Ireland though. I think he is best when he has good players but doesn't get to choose them. To be honest Idon't care who next manager is. We just need to act. Edited September 9, 2017 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 Anyone get deja by from today's game? Was identical to the wolves home game last season. Dreadful. But wolves at least have a decent team, Brentford are very very average yet we couldn't even muster a shot on target. bruce and his ultra shit negative tactics are killing us. It's time to cut the cord big tone. Get jonakovic in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Anyone get deja by from today's game? Was identical to the wolves home game last season. Dreadful. But wolves at least have a decent team, Brentford are very very average yet we couldn't even muster a shot on target. bruce and his ultra shit negative tactics are killing us. It's time to cut the cord big tone. Get jonakovic in Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 4 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: "I can readily understand the frustration of the fans as this was arguably the worst we have been since I've been here at Villa in the last nine months." is what he's said in his post match interview. It says something about how things are gone that there are probably quite a few performance you could put into that argument. Do you know how many times he has said this since he has been here? That would indicate that our "Worst we have been" has progressively been getting worse with him. Isn't that signal enough??!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Do you know how many times he has said this since he has been here? That would indicate that our "Worst we have been" has progressively been getting worse with him. Isn't that signal enough??!!! Every team has a dip.....but we are hitting new lows here. it cannot continue unchecked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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terrytini Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 23 minutes ago, TRO said: Every team has a dip.....but we are hitting new lows here. it cannot continue unchecked. We've had 2/3 decent halves in over 40 games. Hes had time, money, patience, players, yet there is not one single aspect of the Team or Squad that performs better now than when he arrived. His reign will be historically seen as being almost totally dependant upon Kodja for his Wins, and a year of zero progress. Added to which we have played the most cowardly, negative, shapeless, type of football I've witnessed at VP and that includes the Mcleish years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) And guys- those last two or three that don't see it - it is clear as day we play how we play because that's how he asks us to play. Really - in all honesty do you think that all these other sides play decent football and we would too if only the players followed Bruce's instructions ? That's laughable. Take just one obvious example, At Hull, one of his main tactics was the long hoof to Elmo to flick on. Now rewatch our games since Elmo joined - that tactic is used over and over and over again. Now, if you are doing that, you are not playing football through the midfield as, for example, Brentford did today ( and last year with several different players btw). Just 1 example there are many. How some people can watch game after game after game full of examples that show we are uncoached, unstructured, and packed with an overly defensive mindset and yet still try to blame the players , beggars belief. Thank God the vast majority now see it for what it is. Edited September 9, 2017 by terrytini 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted September 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 9, 2017 If this is the price we have to pay for stability, then bring on the anarchy and chaos. Because of the crap put on offer I won't be paying to watch villa again this season. Not until Bruce GTFO! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, terrytini said: His reign will be historically seen as being almost totally dependant upon Kodja for his Wins, and a year of zero progress. I've actually just posted stats in the Kodjia thread. When JK has been missing, we have played 12 games and only won 2 of those averaging less than a point a game, Its absolutely ridiculous that Bruce has relied so much on one player getting him out of jail all the time. If he didnt have JK last year we would have got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 10, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, clip on mullet said: I just don't understand how a manager who has gained promotion 4 times now looks so clueless. I was happy when we first bought him in and was enthusiastic about are chances this season. Now I just can't see how he can survive another game. He has to go. I've got this feeling though that the Dr will stick with him, well until it's to late anyway. I was a huge Bruce supporter for a long time and I still believe the anti Bruce brigade were wrong in terms of the immediate reaction. On paper he was absolutely the right appointment and I was delighted we finally seemed to have stopped the appointing possible bright sparks or obvious nails. He was for me unquestionably the right appointment and I hold no one accountable for him. But absolutely it is a mystery why he is so bad. It may be that the job is just too big or that coaching has changed out of all recognition in 2 years. I don't know know why or what's gone wrong with Steve Bruce and Aston Villa but it very much has gone wrong so the anti Brucers deserve credit for their devilish witchcraft in spotting this. Edited September 10, 2017 by sidcow 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 10, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2017 6 hours ago, clip on mullet said: Get the guy from Fulham Yay, let's get in the guy from Fulham who has 1 point more than Bruce because he has a forrin exotic sounding name. Sorry, not picking on you or got a better alternative but as I've stated above Bruce looked a perfect match for us on many many years of past performance so someone who is just 1 point ahead after a single good year rings danger bells to me. Conversely Warnock who most people would call another dinosaur and be up in arms about appointing is currently unbeaten and a massive 10 points ahead. I can only assume he's actually a massively modern progressive manager. Is it purely because we have appointed the wrong dinosaur I am sorry. I just don't know what to think anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Out And some patience please from the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post USA_Villa Posted September 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2017 There is no pattern of play, the players do not express themselves and we look lethargic all over the field. What ever the coaching staff do all week with this team just isn't working. The players do not believe in what they are being asked to deliver and it shows in each and every performance. I watched Brentford and saw quick passing, players finding space, wanting the ball, and busting a gut to close down our players. That's teamwork, what we have is a mish-mash of very good players trying to play together. Very little teamwork and poor tactics. Really, one up front and why oh why do we sit so deep? Brentford looked so comfortable playing from the back, what do we do? Hoof to our young striker and hope that he he can hang on to it until one or two of our players finally get close to him. So bad. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Junxs said: I've actually just posted stats in the Kodjia thread. When JK has been missing, we have played 12 games and only won 2 of those averaging less than a point a game, Its absolutely ridiculous that Bruce has relied so much on one player getting him out of jail all the time. If he didnt have JK last year we would have got relegated. You can say the same about Jedinak's stats. Its horrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovenian Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Only Kodjia can save him now... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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