villan-scott Posted January 1 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1 Love this  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Villan_of_oz Posted January 1 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Nobody can never not to be good enough anymore, or come up short or just fall below the requirements. You're either elite or bottlers. It's **** boring. I don't think this is true at all, I guess it's all about perceptions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Nobody can never not to be good enough anymore, or come up short or just fall below the requirements. You're either elite or bottlers. It's **** boring. I think you need to look up bottlers. Arsenal had the title in the palm of there hand last year and the pressure got to them, they bottled it. If Liverpool or we come second to Man City this year, we would have just missed out because of quality, wo t be a bottle job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon66 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 If you think we're a fickle bunch, try a few minutes on the Gooners World forum..... The 'Arteta Out' thread is currently running at about 315 pages lol..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 39 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: I think you need to look up bottlers. Arsenal had the title in the palm of there hand last year and the pressure got to them, they bottled it. If Liverpool or we come second to Man City this year, we would have just missed out because of quality, wo t be a bottle job. That's where I disagree Injuries and playing too many games compared to man city's monster squad got to them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 1 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1 3 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Nobody can never not to be good enough anymore, or come up short or just fall below the requirements. You're either elite or bottlers. It's **** boring. Coming up short isn’t bottling. Being as far ahead as arsenal were with their fixtures and losing it is bottling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 20 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Coming up short isn’t bottling. Being as far ahead as arsenal were with their fixtures and losing it is bottling I'd say having it in your own hands and cocking it up is bottling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 1 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1 19 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said: I'd say having it in your own hands and cocking it up is bottling. Yeah sort of.  I mean if we’d gone top in the sheff Utd game it would be in our own hands so you’d have to put some sort of time limit on it.  But being significantly ahead, not many games left, easy fixtures… that’s a bottle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) It sort of is. However Dortmund were the ultimate bottlejob in the major european leagues last season, would be impressed if anyone could find a more severe choke job than what they got up to in the last month of the season. Guess our finish in 2008/09 is a good case study. Was that a choke job or just consequence of small squad/lack of knowledge in how to finish top 4 compared to Arsenal who'd done it for over a decade? We finished that season winning 2 games in 12. Edited January 1 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, VillaChris said: It sort of is. However Dortmund were the ultimate bottlejob in the major european leagues last season, would be impressed if anyone could find a more severe choke job than what they got up to in the last month of the season. Guess our finish in 2008/09 is a good case study. Was that a choke job or just consequence of small squad/lack of knowledge in how to finish top 4 compared to Arsenal who'd done it for over a decade? We finished that season winning 2 games in 12. Dortmund only went top 3 times all season and one was the second last week. Dont think comparable to Arsenal as Bellingham and Reus both got injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I hope our fan bases don’t manufacture a pointless and pathetic social media rivalry as we have previously with Newcastle.  2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 5 minutes ago, theboyangel said: I hope our fan bases don’t manufacture a pointless and pathetic social media rivalry as we have previously with Newcastle.  Sadly that happened a long time ago during Covid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 hours ago, VillaJ100 said: I'd say having it in your own hands and cocking it up is bottling. Against a team who spent over a billion pounds and has (potentially) cheated to the tune of 115 charges against them? "Bottling" is probably the term I detest most in football. We are overacheiving, if we finish sixth, the players and coach will be accused of "bottling it", which is absolute nonsense, but will be spun as fact. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Dortmund only went top 3 times all season and one was the second last week. Dont think comparable to Arsenal as Bellingham and Reus both got injured They kept on choking whenever Bayern dropped points in the run in though. They were 2-0 up v Stuttgart (who had 10 men), then went 3-2 up in injury time and still drew 3-3 so to me that's a little different to Arsenal blowing a 2-0 lead at Liverpool where hardly anyone wins. That Mainz game on the final day was a horrible watch aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 4 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Coming up short isn’t bottling. Being as far ahead as arsenal were with their fixtures and losing it is bottling But that misses off a lot of context Arsenal had a record breaking bit of form before Xmas, they overachieved and were never that good anyway, they certainly weren't better than man city Conversely city weren't great before Xmas but then ended the season absolutely on fire, when the two teams played each other Feb / March city battered them, they were streets ahead of them Arsenal were knackered because they overplayed their key players Arsenal had a make shift defence at key moments and had to play rob holding in the run in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 1 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1 13 minutes ago, villa4europe said: But that misses off a lot of context Arsenal had a record breaking bit of form before Xmas, they overachieved and were never that good anyway, they certainly weren't better than man city Conversely city weren't great before Xmas but then ended the season absolutely on fire, when the two teams played each other Feb / March city battered them, they were streets ahead of them Arsenal were knackered because they overplayed their key players Arsenal had a make shift defence at key moments and had to play rob holding in the run in Arsenal got themselves into an amazing position and blew it. It’s the very definition of bottling it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: Arsenal got themselves into an amazing position and blew it. It’s the very definition of bottling it Arsenal got themselves in to an amazing position and couldn't keep it up because they weren't good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 1 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: Arsenal got themselves in to an amazing position and couldn't keep it up because they weren't good enough Correct. They bottled it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Correct. They bottled it Disagree Bottling it would suggest they were good enough but didn't see it through, that's not how I see arsenal Look at their back 4 when they lost to forest - kiwior - Gabriel - white - partey Bottled it to me would be full strength arsenal fit and firing but not turning up, that's not what happened, they had injuries, suspensions and were knackered It also takes away from what man city are and what an advantage they have - Phil foden started 22 PL games last year, Mahrez 22, Grealish 23 by comparison saka started 37, Odegaard 37, martinelli 34, it shouldn't be surprising that city have more in the tank down the stretch, that's how they keep wining everything 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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