tomav84 Posted March 21 VT Supporter Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, fightoffyour said: A significant Reform vote would virtually wipe out the Tories, but what it says about the general population would be concerning. seeing the tories relegated to the 3rd post popular political party in the UK but then having reform as the new opposition 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 13 minutes ago, tomav84 said: seeing the tories relegated to the 3rd post popular political party in the UK but then having reform as the new opposition Even if Reform win a seat (and they'd be unlikely to even do that), the Lib Dems would become the opposition in the event of a Tory wipeout. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: Even if Reform win a seat (and they'd be unlikely to even do that), the Lib Dems would become the opposition in the event of a Tory wipeout. You're probably not wrong. They're currently polling at about where Ukip did when they got a decent percentage and a single seat. Lib Dems ended up with 8 seats from 7.9%, Ukip got 1 seat from 12.5. Electoral reform is already one of Reform's goals, presumably expecting this kind of result, and as much as I despise them, on that topic, I'd be right behind them. Governments ending up with insurmountable majorities despite getting well under a majority of the electorate who cast a vote, while millions of people have little representation because they're spread out is a situation we're much better off out of. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 21 Moderator Share Posted March 21 9 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Lib Dems ended up with 8 seats from 7.9%, Ukip got 1 seat from 12.5. Electoral reform is already one of Reform's goals, presumably expecting this kind of result, and as much as I despise them, on that topic, I'd be right behind them. That rather does depend on their vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 2 minutes ago, bickster said: That rather does depend on their vision. Ultimately the clearings in the woods will never have enough direct influence to implement their vision, but they've already stated they're in favour of some form of PR. It'd be a decent outcome IMO if as the election after this one approaches, they're making enough noise about it and polling well enough that it scares Labour into action. Might be pie in the sky though - I think the UKIP 2015 result showed our system up for the undemocratic farce that it is, but it stopped being a story within days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 3 hours ago, fightoffyour said: A significant Reform vote would virtually wipe out the Tories, but what it says about the general population would be concerning. Although Sunak is certain to retain his Richmond seat, a lot of Tory voters feel so betrayed by the present government, that they want to see the end of the Conservative party according to Peter Hitchens. Edited March 21 by MakemineVanilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, MakemineVanilla said: Although Sunak is certain to retain his Richmond seat, a lot of Tory voters feel so betrayed by the present government, that they want to see the end of the Conservative party according to Peter Hitchens. Yep, I’m half way there with that sentiment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted March 22 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, Davkaus said: Ultimately the clearings in the woods will never have enough direct influence to implement their vision, but they've already stated they're in favour of some form of PR. It'd be a decent outcome IMO if as the election after this one approaches, they're making enough noise about it and polling well enough that it scares Labour into action. Might be pie in the sky though - I think the UKIP 2015 result showed our system up for the undemocratic farce that it is, but it stopped being a story within days. See the thing is…. For me anyway… We'll only get one shot at this, once it’s changed, it won’t change again in our lifetimes (and you’re considerably younger than me). The change needs to be the right change and it needs to be comprehensive. I wouldn’t trust Reform to bring about the extensive changes needed because they are populist and in reality (IMO) are only saying it to garner votes and power. If they actually got a sniff of power it would become suddenly more difficult I want separation of state and church I want the Royal Family to be f***ed off into obscurity, remove them from the state apparatus completely I want PR obviously but I also want an elected second chamber devoid of any party allegiance and (this one bit is my own personal fantasy) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Even Reform are the establishment now apparently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 8 hours ago, bickster said: I also want an elected second chamber devoid of any party allegiance and (this one bit is my own personal fantasy) I only raise this because you're normally right about most stuff on these threads, but this is a terrible, unworkable idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 9 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Even Reform are the establishment now apparently. The leadership are a bunch of grifters, who seem to be using the Meloni tactic of coming on strong to get noticed and will gradually move towards the centre, depending on the polling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) On 17/03/2024 at 09:39, ml1dch said: You're projecting a level of political engagement and interest amongst the wider population which just doesn't exist. At most recent polling around 10% of British adults didn't know who Rishi Sunak is and nearly a quarter didn't know who Keir Starmer is. QED, if you're still labouring under the misapprehension that the next election will be fought on what Stockport thinks about Douglas Murray's view on trans-rights and how the woke blob is silencing him. Edited March 22 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted March 28 VT Supporter Share Posted March 28 Could have easily gone in the cheer you up thread… Quote The former actor Laurence Fox will not be a candidate at the London mayoral elections after failing to fill in the nomination forms correctly. London Elects, which administers the mayoral and London Assembly elections, said the Reclaim party leader had submitted the papers shortly before the deadline on Wednesday, which were subsequently found to contain errors. Fox, who last acted on screens in a 2022 film distributed by the far-right website Breitbart, is understood to have failed to provide enough signatures of support in two London boroughs, while three supporters from other boroughs could not be found in records. Guardian 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 37 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: Could have easily gone in the cheer you up thread… Guardian I know he’s part of the grifterati, but I do worry that in his case, I do think he could actually be having some sort of mental health issue. Some of his stuff, about his kids and Billie Piper, he doesn’t come over as particularly stable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 59 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: Could have easily gone in the cheer you up thread… Guardian We’ve missed out on him losing miserably and the conspiracy theories around why that was. Shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sidcow Posted April 11 VT Supporter Share Posted April 11 (edited) So it appears Reform have dropped a candidate for the next GE because of a "lack of activity" Normally you would say fair enough, good strategy. It's a bit harsh though as he's dead. Edited April 11 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, sidcow said: So it appears Reform have dropped a candidate for the next GE because of a "lack of activity" Normally you would say fair enough, good strategy. It's a bit harsh though as he's dead. If they’re referring to lack of brain activity they’d need to drop all their candidates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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