brommy Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, snowychap said: It's not about sovereignty, is it? Looks like Gibraltar gets to keep its cake and eat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Just now, brommy said: Looks like Gibraltar gets to keep its cake and eat it. Does it? How do you suppose that? p.s. I always loved rock cakes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 minute ago, snowychap said: Does it? How do you suppose that? p.s. I always loved rock cakes. it may gain some benefits from closer long term custom ties whilst maintaining it’s strongly desired ties to UK sovereignty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 minute ago, brommy said: it may gain some benefits from closer long term custom ties whilst maintaining it’s strongly desired ties to UK sovereignty. What on this fine round earth are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, snowychap said: What on this fine round earth are you on about? Gibraltar may keep some long term ties to the custom union but the bottom line will remain - UK sovereignty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 37 minutes ago, brommy said: Gibraltar may keep some long term ties to the custom union but the bottom line will remain - UK sovereignty. And... ' Not sure what all the fuss over Spain/Gibraltar is. Spain will have a say in any changes to Gibraltar’s sovereignty.' ' Looks like Gibraltar gets to keep its cake and eat it. ' 'it may gain some benefits from closer long term custom ties' Again, what on earth are you on about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, snowychap said: And... ' Not sure what all the fuss over Spain/Gibraltar is. Spain will have a say in any changes to Gibraltar’s sovereignty.' ' Looks like Gibraltar gets to keep its cake and eat it. ' 'it may gain some benefits from closer long term custom ties' Again, what on earth are you on about? Perhaps it’s too late for some!. To make it more obvious, my comments were in relation to an earlier comment that May had as good as given away Gibraltar. I don’t see how anything that has been currently released in relation to the withdrawal agreement that relinquishes UK sovereignty of Gibraltar. It’s a non-issue. Edited November 25, 2018 by brommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, brommy said: To make it more obvious, my comments were in relation to an earlier comment that May had as good as given away Gibraltar. 12 hours ago, brommy said: 13 hours ago, snowychap said: It's not about sovereignty, is it? Looks like Gibraltar gets to keep its cake and eat it. Your initial comment about 'cake' was in response to my post that it wasn't about sovereignty (in my mind, having read the two things posted in that tweet last night, i.e. the letter and the supposed EU statement text). The point I made (by quoting from the Grauniad's article and the tweet as above) was about Spain's involvement in the future discussions about Gibraltar's future relationship with the EU, i.e. that any deal appears that it will require a prior agreement with Spain. Still no idea what cake and eat it (nor any 'mays' about future customs arrangements) had to do with my post saying that it wasn't about sovereignty (even accepting that any future discussions betweem Spain and the UK prior to any future deal over Gib and the EU will likely always have that in the background). Edit: Perhaps we were just at cross purposes? Edited November 25, 2018 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 13 hours ago, brommy said: Looks like Gibraltar gets to keep its cake and eat it. Cherries on top or not ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 25, 2018 Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2018 Next word to enter the political lexicon? Bremain? Britin? Bre-entry? After the ECJ delivers its decision on A50 withdrawal, scheduled to start Tuesday, this is going to start gaining more and more momentum I think. May will never get that deal through the commons. Currently 92 Tories have publically stated they won't vote for it, Labour won't, the DUP won't and very much doubt anyone else will. This deal is dead The end of May is nigh and apparently, if there's to be a second referendum, she'll resign... what greater encouragement could there be? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) Not sure why she’s pushing it through Europe if she thinks it’ll fail at home? Bit like me doing a deal on a new car knowing full well my wife will block it... The situation in the commons must not be as bad as reported, maybe she knows people will change their stance at the last minute (dished out a few sweetners). Edited November 25, 2018 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, bickster said: Next word to enter the political lexicon? Bremain? Britin? Bre-entry? Brollocks? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Briturn/Breturn Not sure which spelling will get adopted though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 On 23/11/2018 at 08:31, Stevo985 said: I still think it's not going to happen. I agree. I've been telling people that since the referendum. I don't think I'd put any significant money on it, as things could go in several directions in the next couple of months, but I still think it's the most likely outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 43 minutes ago, bickster said: Next word to enter the political lexicon? Bremain? Britin? Bre-entry? After the ECJ delivers its decision on A50 withdrawal, scheduled to start Tuesday, this is going to start gaining more and more momentum I think. May will never get that deal through the commons. Currently 92 Tories have publically stated they won't vote for it, Labour won't, the DUP won't and very much doubt anyone else will. This deal is dead The end of May is nigh and apparently, if there's to be a second referendum, she'll resign... what greater encouragement could there be? How many of the 92 tories stating they won't vote for it are the same as the 60 / 70 / 80 tories that were sending in letters? I'm not saying it will get voted through, but I think there's an awful lot of grandstanding and empty threats now all politicians have worked out they can say or do and then deny pretty much anything. We need to run a sweep on how many will flip flop whilst using the phrase 'my position has always been very clear...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 25 minutes ago, Genie said: Briturn/Breturn Not sure which spelling will get adopted though. Britzkrieg, too soon ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 25, 2018 Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: How many of the 92 tories stating they won't vote for it are the same as the 60 / 70 / 80 tories that were sending in letters? I'm not saying it will get voted through, but I think there's an awful lot of grandstanding and empty threats now all politicians have worked out they can say or do and then deny pretty much anything. We need to run a sweep on how many will flip flop whilst using the phrase 'my position has always been very clear...' There were never that many public letter senders, big difference between what people tell JRM in private and public statements about the deal And lets be honest if it got to as low as 20, without the DUP its still dead in the water It's now up to 94 Boris Johnson David Davis Iain Duncan Smith Owen Paterson Priti Patel John Whittingdale Mark Francois David Jones Sir Desmond Swayne Julian Lewis Jacob Rees-Mogg Steve Baker Sir Bernard Jenkin Sir Mike Penning Sir David Amess Sir Edward Leigh Sir Christopher Chope Andrea Jenkyns John Redwood Ben Bradley Marcus Fysh Maria Caulfield Simon Clarke Ross Thomson Henry Smith Nadine Dorries Chris Green Andrew Bridgen Bill Cash Sheryll Murray Andrew Rosindell Lee Rowley Peter Bone Anne Main Craig Mackinlay Charlie Elphicke Conor Burns James Duddridge Trudy Harrison Andrew Lewer Nigel Mills Martin Vickers Richard Bacon Philip Davies Anne-Marie Morris James Gray Adam Holloway Crispin Blunt Richard Drax Philip Hollobone Laurence Robertson Bill Wiggin Pauline Latham Nigel Evans Scott Mann Tim Loughton Zac Goldsmith Robert Courts Michael Fabricant Michael Tomlinson Damian Collins Jo Johnson Phillip Lee Heidi Allen Justine Greening Dominic Grieve Dominic Raab Esther McVey Shailesh Vara Rehman Chishti Ranil Jayawardena Suella Braverman Anne-Marie Trevelyan Hugo Swire Neil Parish Steve Double Theresa Villiers Royston Smith Mark Pritchard Grant Shapps Damien Moore Daniel Kawczynski Lucy Allan David Evennett Anna Soubry Rob Halfon Bob Stewart Gordon Henderson Stephen Metcalfe John Baron Julia Lopez John Hayes Sarah Wollaston Guto Bebb Buzzfeed The Sir John Hayes one is hilarious considering he was only knighted this week and the reason why he was knighted (the real reason) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I haven't posted in this thread for a while so thought I would update with my opinion. Now i'm not pro May, but what I do understand is David Davis quit and now recently Dominic Rabb quit being Eu negotiator. The reason they quit is because the EU won't listen or make it easy to leave. No politician will say, although Rabb came close in saying, the EU are as good as blackmailing us into a shit deal. They don't want us to leave, they can't afford it for one. all them unelected EU Bureaucrates have extremely high salaries and bonuses you know. Also if they made it easy, surely all the other nation states would be thinking about leaving. Barnier and all them other EU knobbers will make it as hard as possible to leave with a decent deal, then maybe we will consider staying, which is what they need, or is it want! I agree May is a bit of a walkover, but there is no way Labour or any other politician could negotiate a better deal than what the EU have offered. Truth be known the EU have said that's the deal take it or leave it, the door is now closed, speaks volumes. Personally, I want out of the cult that is the EU. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Well, yeah. Would anyone expect them to promote the idea of leaving the group being equal or better to remaining in the group? That would make them as stupid as the people believing leaving would be a easy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, bickster said: Next word to enter the political lexicon? Bremain? Britin? Bre-entry? After the ECJ delivers its decision on A50 withdrawal, scheduled to start Tuesday, this is going to start gaining more and more momentum I think. May will never get that deal through the commons. Currently 92 Tories have publically stated they won't vote for it, Labour won't, the DUP won't and very much doubt anyone else will. This deal is dead The end of May is nigh and apparently, if there's to be a second referendum, she'll resign... what greater encouragement could there be? Far as I know there isn’t any legal scope to withdraw A50 and remain ... all we could do is reapply and probably on shit terms so think we can take remaining off the table no deal seems the most likely at this stage , no way Mays cluster **** is getting through parliament Edited November 25, 2018 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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