darrenm Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 David Davis. I just can't help but wonder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 6 hours ago, snowychap said: Why should anyone believe this kind of shit? He could have learned the 'everybody' and 'thank you very much' which are easy too. "Impressive command" my arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: Well I teach English to non-English people living in the UK for a living, and I can assure you that several of them have stories of having been shouted at, spat at and told to 'go home'. I sincerely hope it doesn't happen to your wife, friends or anyone you know because it's very upsetting when it does. Maybe Surrey is just a bit nicer than Birmingham for this. On a different but not entirely unrelated note, I couldn't help but notice a woman arguing for the enforced deportation of more than a million people 'but not in a bad way' on the national news the other day: **** me. And these are what you'd call the average voter. Idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Average “labour” voters most likely seeing as Barnesly voted 69% in their favour ... Edited October 27, 2017 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 We live in an idiocracy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lapal_fan Posted October 27, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2017 18 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: We live in an idiocracy. The BIGGEST problem with people in that video, and millions of others - is that they believe the front pages of newspapers. They believe what they read, and I think it's fairly safe to assume, that they aren't big readers - so they take snippets of info (the headlines) and go with it - that's fact, that's their opinion. Many of the people in that video wouldn't have search histories containing news, forums etc - so they don't get the balance of information. If you had a "shock horror" left rag, with antithesis of the headlines containing lies about the immigration "problem", at least then you'd get a small amount of people countering those opinions, which are obviously tosh (because they are based on mis-truths). Also, because people look different to what they did back in the 70s. Only on Sunday I was at my local cricket club, for my nieces christening party (I know) and looking at the photos, not one black or asian person in them until about 2 years ago. I mentioned it to my dad in a "isn't that peculiar" kind of way and he said "in the 70s, if you got on a bus and a black person was on it (in this area), you'd stare because you'd never seen a black person before. My dad used to whisper "if you're naughty on the bus, the black man will take you away" because they were so different in appearance compared to what we were used to - no wonder I'm ignorant". In 40 years, (or even less because I never held those opinions or cast those aspersions on anyone of colour) we've come a long way. Racism will die as the generations carry on. Back to the point, I saw a video the other day about Brexit and a guy from oop north said "We needed Brexit to get rid of the Muslims" - because Muslim people come from within Europe predominantly? Moron. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I was talking about this same thing with my quite right wing, best mate last night. Even he is shocked at the bile that the right wing gutter press spout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Just now, StefanAVFC said: I was talking about this same thing with my quite right wing, best mate last night. Even he is shocked at the bile that the right wing gutter press spout. The thing is, and is hard to realise now, is that as "the youth" grow up, completely tuned into technology (I.e. the biggest source of information ever) - it's inevitable really that extremism will die out even more. It's hard to believe, but we live in THE SAFEST time - and we will only increase in safety. We're in the death throes of last ditch power grabs essentially. The 40/50 year olds will retire soon enough, the 60/70 year olds will die - and they are the generational opinions being cast in these publications which you so dislike (rightly or wrongly to be fair to us all). You will always have an underclass (those with no aspirations of improving themselves or their lives), but even they will become more moderate because the information available to them will be more moderate. We will always have the elite class who want to keep it that way (why would a rich person want to dilute his/her wealth, making their riches become less valuable?). But I think in 100 years, the world will become more socialist, by default (whether that's right or wrong, I don't know). But I can certainly see the people who started business in the capitalist haven of the 80s dying out. Companies such as Google, Facebook, Starbucks (young, good to work for companies) will become the norm. 9-5 will probably be dead because of the everything is connected, all the time - flexible working will become the norm. We're in a strange time (and what time, isn't strange??) - but we've seen the inception of the biggest (arguably) invention mankind has ever made, we've been through it's toddling years and when "the youth" grow up, we'll be in the teenage years of the internet - I wonder what it will look like. Exciting all the same I guess! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted October 27, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: The thing is, and is hard to realise now, is that as "the youth" grow up, completely tuned into technology (I.e. the biggest source of information ever) - it's inevitable really that extremism will die out even more. It's hard to believe, but we live in THE SAFEST time - and we will only increase in safety. We're in the death throes of last ditch power grabs essentially. The 40/50 year olds will retire soon enough, the 60/70 year olds will die - and they are the generational opinions being cast in these publications which you so dislike (rightly or wrongly to be fair to us all). You will always have an underclass (those with no aspirations of improving themselves or their lives), but even they will become more moderate because the information available to them will be more moderate. We will always have the elite class who want to keep it that way (why would a rich person want to dilute his/her wealth, making their riches become less valuable?). But I think in 100 years, the world will become more socialist, by default (whether that's right or wrong, I don't know). But I can certainly see the people who started business in the capitalist haven of the 80s dying out. Companies such as Google, Facebook, Starbucks (young, good to work for companies) will become the norm. 9-5 will probably be dead because of the everything is connected, all the time - flexible working will become the norm. We're in a strange time (and what time, isn't strange??) - but we've seen the inception of the biggest (arguably) invention mankind has ever made, we've been through it's toddling years and when "the youth" grow up, we'll be in the teenage years of the internet - I wonder what it will look like. Exciting all the same I guess! That's a very positive and hopeful view of the world. It's bollocks, but it's lovely. Nice people, people like you (and on a generous self assessment, me), will have the internet to connect themselves with more and more nice people across the globe. We can reassure ourselves that we are all one, and we all want to save the platypus. Morons and horrible people have the same access to the internet. Be it ISIS recruitment, revenge porn, ukip, or drug dealers, they too have access to more like minded people than ever before. Yes, older generations will die. But hey, who were all the beatnicks and hippies through the 50's and 60's and 70's? Where did they go? They got a mortgage and a pension and 2.4 kids and then they saw other forces come along and threaten it. I guess only time will tell, when you have a teenage child in school and some hefty debts and 'they' decide the local school should take in 25% non-english speaking children and the jobs don't need better wages, we can just get cheaper people. I'd query what the difference is between an 80's start up and Starbucks or Facebook? I'm yet to be convinced that working in an Amazon warehouse or for Uber or for Costa is better than the bad old days working in a Booker warehouse, or for a bus company or Little Chef. All you can do is preserve your own bubble and try to set an example to those around you - whilst not surrounding yourself with people just like you. But yes, it is exciting. Keep on keepin' on! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 27, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted October 27, 2017 27 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: ....as "the youth" grow up, completely tuned into technology (I.e. the biggest source of information ever) - it's inevitable really that extremism will die out even more. ....they will become more moderate because the information available to them will be more moderate.... This is the exact opposite of my view. My perception is that the online stuff is far more unbalanced, extreme, "fake news" and all the rest of it than the "old media". I fear the oppisite of your view will happen - more extremism, not less. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 35 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Companies such as Google, Facebook, Starbucks (young, good to work for companies) will become the norm as examples go 3 of the biggest tax avoiders on the planet probably weren't the best ones 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, blandy said: This is the exact opposite of my view. My perception is that the online stuff is far more unbalanced, extreme, "fake news" and all the rest of it than the "old media". I fear the oppisite of your view will happen - more extremism, not less. I hope that not to be the case to be honest! I, as well as everyone else obviously - can only go on what I see. The more interaction of mixed races, the better, because it becomes normal. I see a lot more mixed race children now - 40 years ago, there weren't many! Religion will die out because, who wants to go to church/mosque/temple/synagogue? Not many young kids now. Politics may well become more heated, but as I said - the more moderate new up start companies are, the less the vitriol will be between the "haves and have nots". Just a view, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: as examples go 3 of the biggest tax avoiders on the planet probably weren't the best ones I did think of that, but I know people who work for all 3, have left the companies, and then all gone back because they loved working at their respective companies. And at the end of the day, those loop-holes in tax could easily be closed up, but that doesn't happen because of the old guard. Will it change? I think not very quickly, but definitely it will become more moderate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'm not convinced religion is dying out. I can't back this up right now, but I think there are more catholics now than there have ever been before? There are more muslims than catholics. I think Indonesia alone has a population about the same size as western europe, and is 90% muslim (that's off the top of my head). You start adding up Pakistan and Malaysia and Bangladesh and it'll be a while before religion has gone. Brazil, I think, is like 80 or 90% christian and has a population growth rate exponentially greater than ours. I think we can sometimes see 'our world' and understandably think it is 'the world'. But hey, let's not do religion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, blandy said: This is the exact opposite of my view. My perception is that the online stuff is far more unbalanced, extreme, "fake news" and all the rest of it than the "old media". I fear the oppisite of your view will happen - more extremism, not less. likewise ... more so when you see how shit like the Wetherspoons post can circulate in minutes without anyone seemingly bothering to check it for facts . Touched on the racism thing before and how my kids wouldn't particularly have a clue , they've just grown up in an era where some of their classmates don't eat pork , have a darker skin than them etc , In that regard I think Lapal is right and that racism will just die out ... extremism probably not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: But hey, let's not do religion. Amen brother 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 A week old but Explore opportunities!!! Great news!! Oh, but Andrea, Sweden are in the EU and can''t trade with us individually post-Brexit. Idiots. **** idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 22 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: A week old but Explore opportunities!!! Great news!! Oh, but Andrea, Sweden are in the EU and can''t trade with us individually post-Brexit. Idiots. **** idiots. It could be a flaw of twitter and not being able to write war and peace , but she isn't suggesting Sweden trade with us individually .. the full story is that Sweden said "the government is currently calling on the Kommerskollegium to draw up a basis for Swedish trade interests in the EU's negotiations with the UK about a new trade relationship after Brexit " so Andrea is sorta correct , just hasn't worded it very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 It's almost as if these people have positions of power and don't have the leniency to 'not word it very well' Not the first time prominent Brexiteers have made this mistake also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 27, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 27, 2017 It's to make a positive news story out of something that doesn't really change anything at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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