mjmooney Posted August 28, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2019 This is the most critical moment in British politics in my lifetime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 we're ****, we're ****, we'll be forever ****, and when it all goes tits up, it will be libtard remoaniacs not wishing it hard enough / some other base distraction technique ( fancy a war?! ) to distract the bell-ends who are gleefully looking forward to this shitstorm. This country is so unutterably pathetic. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: It's not her way but I bet she is close to something like that. She will inevitably die at some point soon which is unfortunate but the legacy for her will be Brexit and a country divided. No matter what you think of her, this is a shame and she really doesn't deserve it. I am a bit gutted for her. She may be the only hope here. She has the power but has chosen not to wield it during her lifetime to keep her above politics but when you've got a PM like Johnson who's complete lack of decency and respect for that lifetime of discipline she has to act. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 26 minutes ago, snowychap said: Vote of No Confidence is now necessary next week, surely? Possible outcomes: Current government just holds on through Labour rebels (Hoey, Mann, &c. who are then ejected from the Labour party and commit themselves to supporting the government on all matters through to 1st November) and, perhaps, some Changeists. Whether this pushes the EU to change anything or at least offer a further extension is, I think, unlikely. I think this means 'no deal' would be almost certain. Current government loses by a vote or two and they get their way of a GE (as enough Labour rebels are there which won't support a temporary administration to avoid 'no deal' on Oct 31st) which will then take place on a 'People v MPs' basis but may well be called for after 31st October. It would appear that a No 10 spokesperson is pushing the Cummings line in response to this, i.e. that if a VoNC is called and lost by the Government that they wouldn't resign, would not recommend any alternative administration and would push for a dissolution of Parliament after the 14 day period as per the FTPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: She may be the only hope here. Agreed, Looking at the field of play currently, the Tories have everything covered, can't be stopped. They wouldn't be positioning themselves as they are otherwise I suppose. She is the only loose cannon with maybe enough power that they can't do anything with. I doubt it's possible unless she thinks the country is heading for an actual provable disaster that may cause irreversible damage to her Kingdom. Maybe there is a fail safe device we don't know about. Looking at it and the fact it would be useful now, It would be mad to not have such a power as part of the Monarchy / Government split ? (Like a backstop but a word removed stop). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 28, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: She may be the only hope here. She has the power but has chosen not to wield it during her lifetime to keep her above politics but when you've got a PM like Johnson who's complete lack of decency and respect for that lifetime of discipline she has to act. The Queen won't intervene. She has the power on paper, but she acts on advice of the government. She will do what No.10 tells her to do. It's a problem for Westminster to solve, and there's no point hoping the Queen is going to ride in and save things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Agreed, Looking at the field of play currently, the Tories have everything covered, can't be stopped. They wouldn't be positioning themselves as they are otherwise I suppose. She is the only loose cannon with maybe enough power that they can't do anything with. I doubt it's possible unless she thinks the country is heading for an actual provable disaster that may cause irreversible damage to her Kingdom. Maybe there is a fail safe device we don't know about. Looking at it and the fact it would be useful now, It would be mad to not have such a power as part of the Monarchy / Government split ? (Like a backstop but a word removed stop). We dont have a constitution. It would come in super handy right now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 28 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: She may be the only hope here. We ought to be just as outraged with the idea that the Queen refuses advice from the Prime Minister as we should be that the PM gives such advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: We dont have a constitution. Of course we have a constitution. Quote It would come in super handy right now. It is questionable whether a codified constitution would settle all potentialities that arise in future, unforeseen circumstances. It is certainly a questionable take that having a codified constitution prevents constitutional crises from arising. Edited August 28, 2019 by snowychap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Bercow is pissed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Bercow is pissed I think it's a mistake for him to comment publicly like that. He may feel like that but he should let his actions when Parliament returns support the idea that he is on the side of Parliament rather than open himself up quite clearly to losing his position via losing his seat in any early GE. If that were the result then, beyond Brexit, it would hamstring future Speakers and, as a result, the ability of future Parliaments to hold the Government to account. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, snowychap said: I think it's a mistake for him to comment publicly like that. He may feel like that but he should let his actions when Parliament returns support the idea that he is on the side of Parliament rather than open himself up quite clearly to losing his position via losing his seat in any early GE. If that were the result then, beyond Brexit, it would hamstring future Speakers and, as a result, the ability of future Parliaments to hold the Government to account. I don't disagree but it's his role to stand up for Parliament, not for the government and if he feels that Parliament is being sidelined and attacked, he needs to defend it. But you're right about how he's done it. It will be too easy to manipulate this statement as 'Bercow is against the will of the people blabla' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peterms Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Johnson's letter talks about the need for a new session of parliament in order to bring in legislation to help the NHS, fight crime etc. No doubt a cut in fuel tax will be among the treats dangled before people, which may be snatched away by MPs opposing the suspension of parliament. It is designed to lay the ground for a campaign of public vilification of any MP who tries to prevent a no-deal. Gloves off, nasty, personally vindictive, and involving encouragement of bullying and harassment, nominally stopping short of violence but with a real danger of inciting violence. This is something of a shift in traditional tory tactics, and it will be interesting to see how many tory MPs will feel unable to go along with this Steve Bannon inspired strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted August 28, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, peterms said: This is something of a shift in traditional tory tactics, and it will be interesting to see how many tory MPs will feel unable to go along with this Steve Bannon inspired strategy. A maximum of 10, is my hunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 46 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: We dont have a constitution. It would come in super handy right now. Yes, constitutions are in principle there to guard against the tyranny of government. This lot are utter tyrants, they needs to be brought down and taken out of the frame completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Wtf happened!? Rich people don't like tax. Rich people want to exploit the poor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Genie said: Any chance the queen will say no, just **** get on with it and stop making this country look like a bunch of clowns. Oh I do hope so. It would be one of the few bright spots, the beginning of the end of our happy belief in a benevolent ruling monarch. However, I don’t think the royal PR machine has enough capacity to deal with denying a conservative prime minister and defending prince Andrew - the only person in Britain that didn’t know his sleep over buddy was a convicted child sex trafficker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Pretense in tatters the Eton boys and the disaster capitalists make a break for the loot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Recent history of prorogation: 2016 - 15th Sept to 10th Oct 2017 - 14th Sept to 9th Oct 2018 - 13th Sept to 9th Oct 2019 - 9th Sept to 14th Oct - IT’S A COUP! Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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