Wainy316 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 So we leave but not officially on 31st January then entering a transition period to the end of the year to get a full trade agreement. If this not met then no deal Brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: With a promise not to extend transition past 2020 which gives no time to negotiate FTA. There was someone on the radio this morning (can't remember who, sorry) saying that although other negotiations have taken much longer the UK is starting from a position of being fully aligned and then discussing where the divergences will be. The other FTA have been the opposite way around and so have taken much longer for that reason. Of course time will tell, and like a high school project or the transfer window deadline, no side will really flinch until about 48 hours before the chime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Northern Ireland just returned more nationalists than unionists to Westminster. My thoughts are with Gerry Adams Gerry spent his life fighting for the cause. Spent hard time in British jails securing his place in republican mythology. And then bloody Arlene Foster goes and does more for Irish Republicanism in two years than Gerry Adams ever did. Must be gutted, heart goes out to his family. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, ml1dch said: We now get to argue for the next decade about what happens next. And it's not going to be pretty. I'm not that sure we do or if we do argue about it, we are going to be arguing amongst ourselves. The government passes the WAB as it was and there is no effective role for parliament to influence any trade deals and talks. Decisions will be made by the executive without any check or balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, snowychap said: I'm not that sure we do or if we do argue about it, we are going to be arguing amongst ourselves. The government passes the WAB as it was and there is no effective role for parliament to influence any trade deals and talks. Decisions will be made by the executive without any check or balance. Yes, this is right. Brexit is now like the weather; it will happen, and how it happens is not something you can influence, you just have to manage as best you can. I suppose if something truly outrageous comes up, that unites both sides in horror, then taking to the streets remains an option. But basically we just have to watch Johnson do as he pleases. There will certainly be no resistance to anything at all from the Tory benches. Edited December 13, 2019 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 . . . and so it begins . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: . . . and so it begins . . . Is he wrong though? I preface this by saying I’m a ‘remoaner’, but if you are in a hostile negotiation (which the government believes it is in) surely it is basic logic that you need to position yourself to be able to walk away from the table? If you are beholden to your negotiating partner then you have no real power in the negotiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: . . . and so it begins . . . Indeed it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 49 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Is he wrong though? I preface this by saying I’m a ‘remoaner’, but if you are in a hostile negotiation (which the government believes it is in) surely it is basic logic that you need to position yourself to be able to walk away from the table? If you are beholden to your negotiating partner then you have no real power in the negotiation. It's an international treaty, not an advertising contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: Is he wrong though? I preface this by saying I’m a ‘remoaner’, but if you are in a hostile negotiation (which the government believes it is in) surely it is basic logic that you need to position yourself to be able to walk away from the table? If you are beholden to your negotiating partner then you have no real power in the negotiation. Yes, he's wrong. I understand that he has placed a lot of political capital on leaving by the end of next year, and not extending the transition period, but at the end of the day it is a completely artificial deadline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: There is an issue, though: The deadline for agreeing an extension is the one set out in the WA between the UK and the EU not anything set out by the UK in its domestic legislation (July 1st?). If the domestic legislation prevents the UK from coming to an agreement before the deadline agreed in an international treaty then any change of mind after that deadline (due to a last minute change of heart and amendment of domestic legislation) would require the consent of the other party to the international treaty and a treaty change. I've seen comments (can't vouch for their veracity) that this wouldn't be a quick process, i.e. it's not like the A50 extension(s) which are flexible and potentially swiftly decided. So whilst this is largely symbolic (and all of the caveats of the quoted tweets being understood), it may turn out that Johnson has rather tied his own hands from July 2nd onwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 17, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 17, 2019 They have a whopping majority, why would they need an act of parliament to limit the timescale on themselves? It's either another symbolic waste of time or they don't trust themselves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 17, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted December 17, 2019 Meat to the lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted December 17, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Chindie said: Meat to the lions. Human flesh to the zombies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted December 17, 2019 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 Quote JD Wetherspoon has upset customers by serving pigs in blankets without their blankets at pubs across the UK. The pub chain said it had problems with its meat supplier. In October, the British Meat Association (BMA) warned that pigs in blankets may be in short supply this year due to a lack of seasonal EU workers across UK meat plants. BMA chief executive Nick Allen told the BBC then that wrapping cocktail sausages in bacon is done by hand. "Pigs and blankets are a very labour intensive thing to make and we're short of labour," he said. "If it is something to do with that then it comes as no surprise." He added that meat supplying companies are "chasing their tails" to try and keep up with orders from shops and restaurants. Wetherspoon warned customers about the issue using posters. "Owing to a supplier issue, our pigs in blankets will be without their blankets," the pub chain wrote on a poster displayed in The George pub in Croydon. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50821103 Good. Tim Cook is an absolute rocket polisher, and if I can select one individual to suffer great loss as a result of leaving the EU he would be 15 points clear with 3 games left to play. Prat. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted December 17, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 17, 2019 I appreciate this sounds bad, but I am quite excited to see which of the newly-Tory former mining towns is chosen as the site for Amazon's prototype asbestos-walled slave facility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 43 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: I appreciate this sounds bad, but I am quite excited to see which of the newly-Tory former mining towns is chosen as the site for Amazon's prototype asbestos-walled slave facility. Burnley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 17, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 17, 2019 You can stick that builder of mechanical diggers between Derby and Stoke on the list too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, NurembergVillan said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50821103 Good. Tim Cook is an absolute rocket polisher, and if I can select one individual to suffer great loss as a result of leaving the EU he would be 15 points clear with 3 games left to play. Prat. FWIW , I hear that Tim Martin is also a bit of a rocket polisher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted December 17, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: FWIW , I hear that Tim Martin is also a bit of a rocket polisher Haha! Of course. My apologies to the CEO of Apple! Sort of. They're robbing bastards as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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