Fairy In Boots Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Great effort from all but I have to be honest to postpone is a mistake, you've lost all momentum and Brian little and Bernstein both 5-10 years too late does little to really change what's happened. One swallow doesn't make a summer and that cuts both ways you need to stay the course no for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Yep I'm in agreement, appreciate all the effort you guys have gone to re the protest, it's been a tactic. But to me it has to continue stopping against Spurs will stop all momentum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didiersix Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 By stopping you show weakness. This fight is far from over. Don't stop now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Just to let you know It's pretty much all keep going on social media, for me it has to keep going until Fox and co are gone. I appreciate the sentiment of halting but it's the wrong thing to do, did this administration halt in the appointment of McLeish? The persistence with Lambert? No so we mustn't either. Brian Little is a legend and I'm pleased he's at the club but I can never and will never forgive the last 5 years, 8-0 to Chelsea alone is unforgivable, and should never be acceptable at this club, if i was Lerner lambert wouldn't have even seen the post match interview. I appreciate your efforts and would like you to keep it up lads. I'll be there vs Chelsea and out the door on 74 utv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted March 12, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) Until Lerner promises to invest in the club, support his manager financially and act like an owner that cares then why should the protests stop because of new unproven appointments with names we know? They could work but they could just be made to shut the fans up for a bit. Pausing is the wrong choice imo. I understand the reasons behind the decision but is it that easy to placate temporarily? Too much of you guys' hard work is being risked and people who are volunteering to help against spurs may have really struggled to get the time free and may now not bother for the next time. Does Hollis appointing Little & Bernstein really justify this decision considering what has become of the club during the last 5 years? We are being relegated from the top division. Aston Villa. In the championship. Decisions being made way too late in the day rather than when they could have helped/save us and everyone is happy again despite our worst season ever and pending relegation. Consistent with Lerner's track record of decision making me thinks. Either completely naive and nonsensical or way too late to be effective. Lerner Out!!!!!!! OTDO'74!!!!!!!! Edited March 12, 2016 by Ingram85 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted March 12, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2016 Pausing is a dreadful idea. Can't really add anything else, but it will totally destroy all of the momentum. No one is going to walk out against Chelsea if it looks like you're appeased by the appointment of 2 board members. As Ingram said, that tiny gesture does not excuse the final 5 years. Sorry guys, this is a bad, bad idea. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 To the guys leading this. I understand the critics here, and they are not without a point. But I think your decision was a good one. You PAUSE to acknowledge positive movement but it's coupled with a clear statement that this movement is not enough and the protest will continue. It shows you are rational and truly supportive, not just angry hot-heads. I have been extremely impressed with the wisdom shown by those of your leading this. Hat's off. Just wanted to make it clear that there are those that support your wise decisions, you will of course, always have critics, and at some point I'm as likely to be one as anyone else is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) Just a quick one to let you know we've had a 7 hour debate on the back of this. I don't say that in an "oooh look at us" kind of way, but in the sense that I want you to know that whatever we do it's not by way of knee jerk reaction and stubbornness. We're releasing a new statement tomorrow, we probably jumped the shark a bit earlier without giving it the attention it deserved. I can't promise you at this stage that the overall facts will change much but I hope you understand our stance better all the same. Up The Villa. Edited March 12, 2016 by dont_do_it_doug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanO Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Look customers they ain't listening, Lerner can't sell for a price he want's so Hollis is here to bring in more austerity. We have a piss weak squad, awful management. Walk, don't walk it's not going to change anytime soon. God knows how most of you get to 74 mins anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cridontour Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Postponing this is a bad idea in my opinion, as said before it will lose momentum. People will start to doubt the whole thing. If the club make a similar announcement before the Chelsea game will you postpone that one? It was the only thing about Sunday I was looking forward to as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasterpocket68 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I'm really going to struggle to make 74 minutes again but I will stay no matter what the score and walk away on 74 !!!! We must keep the momentum Brian little is a legend but nothing will change until Lerner has gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I'm in agreement with the majority here and think the pressure has to be kept on them with this Sunday's walkout. A few trophy appointments to the board wasn't the overall aim of the protest so it makes little sense to me to pause. It's a step in the right direction, absolutely, but enough to make me 'happier' about the state of the club? Gods no. The club need to know that we won't stop until leaps in the right direction are made, not baby steps. Ultimately I don't think it matters. I believe there will be a walk out protest tomorrow, organised by OTDO74 or not. People who did the last walkout and want to do it again will do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Firstly and most importantly the work that has been done behind the scenes is amazing and you guys deserve huge amounts of credit and have my total respect for what you have achieved already. However, IMO the wrong call was made to call off the protest here and you will lose a decent portion of momentum by doing this. To me although the appointments on the face of it seem positive it is not enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 As one of those involved in this group and the decision to postpone let me give my thoughts. We called on the club to do three things. Firstly asking Randy Lerner to release a public statement stating he was once again a motivated seller and would price the club accordingly to achieve a sale. Secondly whilst a buyer was found commit to providing the necessary financial support to ensure we can win football matches. For me that always meant ensuring we could build a squad to to get promoted next season. Thirdly that people with the correct expertise and a proven track record are brought into the club to provide the tools for the manager to succeed. Yesterday with the announcement of Little and Bernstein a third of those actions were met. For me the last one represented a lot more than that though as the biggest issue for us over the last few years hasn't been spending money it has been putting money into the hands of the wrong people. I'd imagine we have a wage bill in the top 12 in the league yet sit rock bottom. Money is being wasted and that is down to a continued failure to have the relevant knowledge on the board and until we rectified that we would always fail to employ a manager who could bring us relative success or allow him the tools/support to do so. Lerner, as shown by the accounts, is still putting money into the club and he will need to commit to do that over the summer. Just as money without expertise wasn't enough, expertise without investment also won't work they have to go hand in hand. With regard to a sale I think due to the accounts, the imminent relegation, the club is clearly a tougher sell at the moment and I think it unlikely it will be sold any time soon which made it even more important that the expertise was brought on to the board. Lerner still needs to become a more motivated seller and needs to state that though and give it the best chance possible of being sold to the right people who can provide it with a brighter future. I know some of you are disappointed in the decision but it was one made as a collective that we felt was the right one. It may not be. We are adamant though that this is just a postponement and the club now need to act otherwise we will walk against Chelsea. For too long there has been a divide at this football club between the club and the fans due to a lack of trust and belief that those at the club know what they are doing That needs to be rectified and it needs to be a relationship built on trust and belief that the club has people on board who can deliver. By playing fair now, taking the high ground, we have shown we will support good decisions and we have left the ball in the clubs court. We have stated this is only a step in the right direction though so we will pause, but this isn't enough and requires other positive action is taken over the next couple of weeks otherwise we will walk against Chelsea. We have made that clear. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I don't really 'get' the protest anyway so it would be contradictory to criticise the decision to pause. However, I am totally lost as to the reasoning to stop and then start again? Is it going to be a weekly decision to decide whether the protest goes ahead or not? Based on what occurs during the week? The protest is supposed to be disappointment at the way the football club has been run, and it's been halted by the appointment of Brian little?? All a bit fickle if you ask me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Personally i think the protests should carry on. Just because 2 football guys have been appointed it doesnt change the fact that we are a shambles financially and a shambles on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 8 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Just a quick one to let you know we've had a 7 hour debate on the back of this. I think you guys need to get out more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 43 minutes ago, Woodytom said: I don't really 'get' the protest anyway so it would be contradictory to criticise the decision to pause. However, I am totally lost as to the reasoning to stop and then start again? Is it going to be a weekly decision to decide whether the protest goes ahead or not? Based on what occurs during the week? The protest is supposed to be disappointment at the way the football club has been run, and it's been halted by the appointment of Brian little?? All a bit fickle if you ask me. They didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Although I understand the reasons for a pause I feel it was the wrong decision. Momentum loss and it looks from the outside looking in that the appointment were all that were needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post YLN Posted March 12, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) The hope was that the protest would have created its own momentum outside of the original organisers. That's how it was going to succeed and gather momentum over time. The original organisers with their access to all the social media associated with the protest can either support its progression, or disrupt it through trying to maintain their level of control and involvement. What was criticized by the organisers was people suggesting other forms of protest. The strong position was, 'Look this is what we're doing. We're doing this, and you can organise your own thing, but this is definitely happening'. It was a clear message and consistent. I really don't see what the club has even done to warrant such a pause. An appointment to the board of directors. So an extra head at the board of directors meeting. How often do they meet? Once a month? At the AGM maybe? How much are the new guys getting paid? Maybe 100k a year. If even. A director is a part time job. It's not like we got a new fitness coach. Would a new fitness coach have stopped the protests? It feels as if the organisers got romanced by the club. Strong position of the protest going ahead tomorrow needs to go out on all social media. I thought Brian Little had died, and that's why we weren't going to protest. Him signing up to attend a monthly meeting is not earth shattering as far as I'm concerned Edited March 12, 2016 by YLN 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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