OutByEaster? Posted January 16, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 16, 2016 I thought he got it right today and that he spoke very well after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted January 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2016 Full credit to Remi for getting the players to give their all, getting them organised and have a real go over the last couple of games. I left Villa park tonight feeling disappointed though that we haven't played with the intensity we have the last couple of games more often. Had we have done we'd be in with a real chance of being safe. That is not just a criticizm of Remi by the way. That is a criticism of his predecessor but mostly of the players. That was top against bottom tonight but it looked nothing like it. The reason they are top and we are bottom is not simply that they have a goalscorer, although that is a massive help, it is that they have been organised and battled all season where as we have only done both on a handful of occasions all season. It won't be a lack of quality that will send us down as I think we have had enough in the squad to at least be well in the mix for safety it will be a lack of effort and a failure to realise that we had to start to really go for it much earlier in the season. It is now too little too late. I do have a hunch though that had Remi been here all season that may well have not been the case. Such a waste. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I disagree slightly Mark. I think the quality in this squad is terrible. We have a keeper who has no right to be playing in this league. Defenders who consistently make mistakes. Midfield players who are weak and can't do the basics on a consistent basis and forwards who struggle to create for themselves or finish the scraps they're given. It's an awful awful squad of players. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I disagree slightly Mark. I think the quality in this squad is terrible. We have a keeper who has no right to be playing in this league. Defenders who consistently make mistakes. Midfield players who are weak and can't do the basics on a consistent basis and forwards who struggle to create for themselves or finish the scraps they're given. It's an awful awful squad of players. Sounds like you disagree massively? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I disagree slightly Mark. I think the quality in this squad is terrible. We have a keeper who has no right to be playing in this league. Defenders who consistently make mistakes. Midfield players who are weak and can't do the basics on a consistent basis and forwards who struggle to create for themselves or finish the scraps they're given. It's an awful awful squad of players. I think you are being too critical and it is something we are all guilty off with our own team. I know I am. Lets compare our squad to other squads and there is no way on this earth that Leicester are three times the team we are yet they have way over 3 times as many points, no way that Bournemouths squad should have 12 more points, West Broms 15, Norwich 11 more, Sunderland 6 more, Watford 17 more. I am not saying we have a good squad of players but we have a squad that had they have been organised better and showed the kind of passion, desire and intensity they have over the last couple of games throughout the season then we'd comfortably be in the mix to be safe. Edited January 16, 2016 by markavfc40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I'd agree, that those examples are probably true but I do genuinely think this is the worst squad in the league. Easily one of the worst keepers in the league, although now he's out. And easily the worst attacking unit in the league. The defence and midfield are right up there as well. The gap may have been closer but I still think we'd be bottom of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Starting to show he can pick up points in this league on a regular basis so gets a much more fair hearing from me than a week ago. Too late but given he took over in November he can't control/be blamed for all of that. When you look at it in true Villa fashion we did it too late...him or someone of his ilk should've taken over under Lambert. If he can pick up points with this mob he could've done it and kept us up with Benteke. Then we'd have had a summer still in the Premier league with a calm and measured approach rather than the scatter gun policy from whoever. It's something to ponder. Probably no FA cup final (not that it mattered anyway) but maybe more long term sustainability rather than the mess we're in now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 57 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Full credit to Remi for getting the players to give their all, getting them organised and have a real go over the last couple of games. I left Villa park tonight feeling disappointed though that we haven't played with the intensity we have the last couple of games more often. Had we have done we'd be in with a real chance of being safe. That is not just a criticizm of Remi by the way. That is a criticism of his predecessor but mostly of the players. That was top against bottom tonight but it looked nothing like it. The reason they are top and we are bottom is not simply that they have a goalscorer, although that is a massive help, it is that they have been organised and battled all season where as we have only done both on a handful of occasions all season. It won't be a lack of quality that will send us down as I think we have had enough in the squad to at least be well in the mix for safety it will be a lack of effort and a failure to realise that we had to start to really go for it much earlier in the season. It is now too little too late. I do have a hunch though that had Remi been here all season that may well have not been the case. Such a waste. Mark, You turning in support of him now? And do you feel he is showing enough to slowly convince you he is also capable of bringing us back up if backed by the board? Interested mate as I know you've had your doubts(rightly so by the way) he was the right appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 My thoughts to the letter, Mark. Ability wise there is very very little to choose between a good number of Clubs. A goalscorer makes a world of difference too though, as does the confidence a back four gets from an on song keeper. When you have neither you have a severe handicapped. Overall, though, you are spot on as regards system, being well drilled, committed, fullnof effort, and the rest. Had we had more of these things wed be in with the pack. For me the time it has taken Garde is still an issue.......I'm yet to decide whether it reflects more badly on his abilities or things beyond his immediate control. I suspect, optimistically, the latter, which would imply that he himself is doing a decent job. If so, and I hope so, that will bode well for us for the future, even if too late for this year...the one good thing that can come out of this year would be continued improvement under Garde which would be invaluable for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RimmyJimmer Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 On 03/01/2016 at 20:26, AVTuco said: 1 hour ago, markavfc40 said: Full credit to Remi for getting the players to give their all, getting them organised and have a real go over the last couple of games. I left Villa park tonight feeling disappointed though that we haven't played with the intensity we have the last couple of games more often. Had we have done we'd be in with a real chance of being safe. That is not just a criticizm of Remi by the way. That is a criticism of his predecessor but mostly of the players. That was top against bottom tonight but it looked nothing like it. The reason they are top and we are bottom is not simply that they have a goalscorer, although that is a massive help, it is that they have been organised and battled all season where as we have only done both on a handful of occasions all season. It won't be a lack of quality that will send us down as I think we have had enough in the squad to at least be well in the mix for safety it will be a lack of effort and a failure to realise that we had to start to really go for it much earlier in the season. It is now too little too late. I do have a hunch though that had Remi been here all season that may well have not been the case. Such a waste. I think the reason for our better performances in the last 2 games has a lot to do with improved fitness. We seem a lot sharper and for longer too, finishing games strongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 David Moyes saying the Huth reverse clothesline wasn't a penalty and no-one countering. Bug eyed Smeagol clearing in the woods! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Some are now saying that if we played like this all season we would not be in this position. but , perhaps it has taken the inexperienced lads this long to get used to the league. not taking anything away from Remi, but all changes take time, assuming the right methods are employed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 18 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: David Moyes saying the Huth reverse clothesline wasn't a penalty and no-one countering. Bug eyed Smeagol clearing in the woods! If he was Villa manager tonight, he probably would've been shouting his balls off swearing blind it was a penalty and cant believe how the ref didn't give it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 14 minutes ago, TRO said: Some are now saying that if we played like this all season we would not be in this position. but , perhaps it has taken the inexperienced lads this long to get used to the league. not taking anything away from Remi, but all changes take time, assuming the right methods are employed. Agree with you to a degree, however only 4 players who started Sherwood's final game actually started in these last couple of games. Large portion of the players who did start this week, the likes of Bunn, Veretout, Kozak and Cissokho, weren't actually given a proper chance under Sherwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 38 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: David Moyes saying the Huth reverse clothesline wasn't a penalty and no-one countering. Bug eyed Smeagol clearing in the woods! the same Match of the Day who thought the Suarez dive was a certain peno vs us. Safe to say they havent a clue about football 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post avfc1982am Posted January 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2016 I think the major difference in the last couple of games for me has been his decision to bring Kozak back in and drop Guzan. Bunn isn't tainted like Guzan by the poor form and just looks more confident. Kozak has brought a freshness to the forward line and with it much more movement,. albeit without the goals yet. Add to that the stabilising of the LB position with Cissokho coming back in and looking comfortable. We are also making less mistakes all over the pitch and in a funny kind of way the injuries have help with this as both Hutton and Sanchez were our 2 biggest cuprits for mistakes imo. We played a really organised, strong and quick team tonight and more than held our own probably just edging it in the end without getting the 3 points. And if anyone had offered me 4 points from these 2 games at the start of the week I would've snapped their hand off tbh. I only hope now the board help Remi bring 2 or 3 of his players before the window shuts to give him and the squad a much needed boost to hopefully kick on and continue improving. He deserves all the help he can get as he has been a credit to himself the way he has dealt with things since arriving and I also hope he is here for the long term. If so we will be in safe hands I feel. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Just thinking out loud here - I wonder what effect Robert Duverne is having on the players? It's taken a while, but they do seem to be looking sharper as a group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 17, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17, 2016 2 hours ago, TRO said: Some are now saying that if we played like this all season we would not be in this position. but , perhaps it has taken the inexperienced lads this long to get used to the league. not taking anything away from Remi, but all changes take time, assuming the right methods are employed. Given what people like Veretout have said about Sherwood's "methods", I think it's safe to say Garde has definitely helped them settle more than Timmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Garde did well today. Kept the same team - which was right - and made the right change at the right time. We had a Plan B, and it worked. I thought we were more likely to win the game after Gestede came on. Now we have to start playing much better away from home as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RimmyJimmer Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 9 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Given what people like Veretout have said about Sherwood's "methods", I think it's safe to say Garde has definitely helped them settle more than Timmy. What has veretout said about sherwoods methods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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