penguin Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I try and watch QT but I just find it unbearable. Constant shouting over each other and bickering, the fact they represent us is depressing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 It's a matter of record that my tory MP took a Ministerial salary of over £100,000 plus an additional £191,000 in expenses for 2014/15. He then voted to take money off the disabled. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 "Sorry Mr disabled person, but I'm afraid we must cut our cloth accordingly, live within our means and not burden our children and grandchildren. So you know that £20 a week you take to bingo, we've got to take it from you. It's for the best." "Oh okay... that's okay. I'll survive... Excuse me, excuse me? Why are you giving my bingo money to that rich person?" "Long term stability. If we don't all muck in together the country will go bust. I'm sure you understand. And whilst you're at it, what is it that you actually do with that spare bedroom?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 18, 2016 Moderator Share Posted March 18, 2016 So, George says to Coca Cola, "You owe us half a billion in tax". Coke say "Do one you silly little man", George thinks about arguing, but all George's friends at the bank work doing the accounts for Coca Cola and they encourage him not to. George's boss says "We need that half a billion, I've promised tax breaks for the city so we'll need the money from somewhere else. Find it!" So George thinks, "Well, I don't want to upset the important people who work for the big company, or the nice people that do their accounts, how can I get the plebs to pay instead?" And that's how the sugar tax works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: So, George says to Coca Cola, "You owe us half a billion in tax". Coke say "Do one you silly little man", George thinks about arguing, but all George's friends at the bank work doing the accounts for Coca Cola and they encourage him not to. George's boss says "We need that half a billion, I've promised tax breaks for the city so we'll need the money from somewhere else. Find it!" So George thinks, "Well, I don't want to upset the important people who work for the big company, or the nice people that do their accounts, how can I get the plebs to pay instead?" And that's how the sugar tax works. I'd love to see a chart of which these large corporations paid in tax pre 2010 and now ... yeah I know it's "Ahhh but" , it's just I don't remember tax paid by large multinationals ever being an issue until 2010 when suddenly it's all the fault of those Tory bastards ... revenue is being collected now , it may not be enough , but it is being collected , where as previously it wasn't yesterdays budget basically gave to lots of small businesses and was paid for by the large corporations , the sugar tax is irrelevant a red herring to distract from what was done elsewhere , same as the tampon tax which could have been resolved anytime but conveniently got announced yesterday ... a victory for the UK , my arse !! I did an online tax calculator thingy the other day and it turns out Mrs H and I will collectively be £219 a year better off after this budget .....it's such a pitiful amount in the grand scheme of things , that I'd rather they hadn't bothered and in that respect they could and SHOULD have left the money in the budget for disabled people , I'll be writing to my MP a bit later to tell him I disagree with what they are doing , not that he will care the spineless clearing in the woods ,all he cares about is protecting his position in the cabinet. They needed to go after the false claimants (well you could argue they didn't and they should have gone after google but that's a different story) but what they have done is go to far and it's time people said enough is enough , if the witty internet can waste it's time on stopping Cowell getting a number one for Christmas , get a pointless debate about Trump raised , then surely twitter is already in overdrive and we have millions of names on a online petition by now ... oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 ok , seems some of the Tory party are going to rebel , no idea is it will be enough , but if it goes to vote the blanket Labour and SNP vote along with the rebels should easily be enough After protests at proposed cuts worth £4.4bn, the Work and Pensions Secretary has written to Conservative MPs stressing that consultation with disability groups will continue. But less than 24 hours after George Osborne's Budget, Tory rebels are writing to the Chancellor claiming the Government will be defeated if it tries to push the changes through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted March 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2016 The issue of tax is not new to the tory or coalition governments. The ahh but argument really is hollow. Take for example the Robin Hood Tax pressure group. That was formed to push for a fairer tax regime and was set up under the previous Labour government. The very term 'robin hood tax' had already been around for 10 years before they got their shit together and went all social media. James Tobin won a Nobel Economics Prize in the 1970's for suggesting a tax of 0.5% on all big financial transactions and large institutions. I think what you're seeing is a return of mass public interest in tax because there is currently a perfect storm of a party self prescribed as 'the nasty party' which has found itself in power at a time of financial crisis. They have been seen to publicly proclaim we are all in it together, whilst giving tax breaks and incentives to the rich that appear to be more or less 'balanced' by taking money from the poor. You've calculated you've gained in the budget. I've gained over a few budgets. Yet somehow, somebody that needs a carer to attend and lives on disability benefits is potentially finding their benefits cut at the same time they are being charged extra for the bedroom they use to give their partner some respite from 24/7 care. Perhaps under Labour, when money was given out like sweets it didn't look like such a problem and lip service was paid to tax issues by organisations like Oxfam and Comic Relief. But it was still there. Since then we've seen the banks crash and our money used to bail them out whilst they've still paid themselves bonuses that have gone on to help skew the housing market. It's not aaah but under labour. That's been and gone, we got the memo, Gordon Brown single handed broke the world. Six years on and we owe more than ever, services have been cut and the rich are substantially richer. We have an economic policy of taking from the poor to give to the rich to magic up some trickle down. It's not very nice. That six years ago some other party I don't support were also poor at taxing the rich, is no longer relevant. But equally, you can't blame a scorpion for stinging a frog. You just need to try and work out why the frogs voted for scorpions. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 18, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: I'd love to see a chart of which these large corporations paid in tax pre 2010 and now ... yeah I know it's "Ahhh but" , it's just I don't remember tax paid by large multinationals ever being an issue until 2010 when suddenly it's all the fault of those Tory bastards ... revenue is being collected now , it may not be enough , but it is being collected , where as previously it wasn't yesterdays budget basically gave to lots of small businesses and was paid for by the large corporations , the sugar tax is irrelevant a red herring to distract from what was done elsewhere , same as the tampon tax which could have been resolved anytime but conveniently got announced yesterday ... a victory for the UK , my arse !! First point - Agree completely, although I think there's more of an obligation on the current lot, due to their false narrative - you know "clearing up Labour's mess" ,"we're all in it together" and so on. So when they say to disabled people, low paid workers, and so on "we're taking this money off you because..." they can't then morally let off Big Corp. The second point - it din't really "give" to small business - what it did was take less from them, but at the expense of Local Gov't, as I understand it - by dropping taxes that they paid to councils, it's just depriving other people of services. Like you imply it was "be nice to people to see if it will make them vote the way I want". He's going come massively unstuck, because ultimately I reckon people will put up with a-holes for a while, if they think they are doing a good job (see Kevin Pietersen, Stan Collymore, etc.), but eventually they can't escape their a-hole-ism and they are found out and got rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 hours ago, chrisp65 said: You just need to try and work out why the frogs voted for scorpions. I think it was the toads who voted for the scorpions not the frogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted March 18, 2016 Moderator Share Posted March 18, 2016 So IDS has quit citing "indefensible cuts to disability benefits" in a budget "that benefits higher rate taxpayers". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Osborne is finished I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted March 18, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2016 10 hours ago, tonyh29 said: I'd love to see a chart of which these large corporations paid in tax pre 2010 and now ... yeah I know it's "Ahhh but" , it's just I don't remember tax paid by large multinationals ever being an issue until 2010 when suddenly it's all the fault of those Tory bastards ... revenue is being collected now , it may not be enough , but it is being collected , where as previously it wasn't For me, there's been one sort of government since Reagan/Thatcher - I've no real interest in the colour of a mans tie or his rosette - I hate Blair and I'd like to see him hang, I hate Cameron, I hated Major and I despise Thatcher. I'm basically not a big fan of Neo-Liberalism or corporatism and politics in this country has been based entirely on that philosophy since 1979, regardless of red or blue - I'm a big fan of Mr Corbyn, I like him - if Labour replaced him with someone more Blair, I'd go back to disliking both parties. The whole finger pointing, "It was them, No, it was them" is what has put a generation of people off politics - two identical parties shouting at each other about nothing in particular - was it Blairs fault? Yes. Was it Thatchers fault? Yes Is there a better way? Absolutely. What's strange is that the re-emergence of socialism after 30 odd years seems to have driven the neo-liberals into a fury of actions so despicable that even they are starting to struggle to live with them. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coda Posted March 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2016 If IDS has quit he won't be eligible for JSA. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Just now, coda said: If IDS has quit he won't be eligible for JSA. chose to leave his job, but it's a first offence, so loses benefits for just one month it's an internal tory plot, they're all words removed, they're just fighting over who will be top word removed in July 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 9 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: So IDS has quit citing "indefensible cuts to disability benefits" in a budget "that benefits higher rate taxpayers". Why the change of heart Iain? Was it... a. He finally asked his daughters why they were spitting at him? b. He was visited by 3 spirits in the night? c. He's not quite ready to be a full time ponce? d. Other 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, Xann said: Why the change of heart Iain? Was it... a. He finally asked his daughters why they were spitting at him? b. He was visited by 3 spirits in the night? c. He's not quite ready to be a full time ponce? d. Other My bet is he's aiming to be the "nice" tory, ahead of Cameron stepping back. Who are the other candidates for the next leader of the word removed party? Gideon "steals money from the disabled" Osborne, Theresa "spies on everyone in the country and stops you watching porn" May, Boris "silly hair" Johnson. IDS looks like a fantastic candidate up against those three words removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 26 minutes ago, coda said: If IDS has quit he won't be eligible for JSA. He'll be gutted about that. Although, he's only resigned his ministerial position, so he'll keep his £70,000 that he gets for being an MP. I guess he'll scrape by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) Positioning himself for a cozy job in the Cabinet when Cameron goes and Osbourne is run out of town. Edited March 18, 2016 by CarewsEyebrowDesigner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, Davkaus said: My bet is he's aiming to be the "nice" tory, ahead of Cameron stepping back. Who are the other candidates for the next leader of the word removed party? Gideon "steals money from the disabled" Osborne, Theresa "spies on everyone in the country and stops you watching porn" May, Boris "silly hair" Johnson. IDS looks like a fantastic candidate up against those three words removed. IDS looks like a fantastic party leader compared to literally nobody. Or have you forgotten that 'The Quiet Man' attempted this job once before? His resignation is a fairly big deal, because it likely cements an awkward climb-down for Osborne. But he'd have been 'reshuffled' after a Remain vote anyway, if that had been the result, so he might not have lost that much in the grand scheme of things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I'm actually hoping it's somehow linked with the rumoured discovery of the Nazi witchcraft library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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