The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

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[chrisp65]

Priti Patel?

Is she the one in secret meetings with Israel? Or the one that wants the death penalty?

Or is she the one that suggested we starve the Irish into submission?

Oh. She's all of those.

[StefanAVFC]

Raab Foreign Sec 

Should have gone one further and given it to Francois.

 

[ml1dch]

1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said:

Raab Foreign Sec 

Should have gone one further and given it to Francois.

 

I wonder if he thinks that he needs "a secretary whose name sounds a bit foreign"

[bickster]

15 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Raab Foreign Sec 

Should have gone one further and given it to Francois.

 

It's alright the f***er won't get past Dover

[chrisp65]

Raaab's learning curve is going to have to be a bit special isn't it.

He's only just realised France is across some water from us and ships are a common form of sea based transport.

[bickster]

2 hours ago, ml1dch said:

 

Obviously usual pinch of salt etc, but the Tories losing voters to the Lib Dems but gaining them from the NF Party is ideal. 

Turn a few marginals from blue to yellow, a few others from blue to red due to the Tory / NF vote split.

It's by the Tory biased YouGov as well

[Xann]

Quote

 

UK seeks European naval force to counter 'piracy' in Gulf

FM Jeremy Hunt says UK in talks with a number of countries to ensure safe shipping after Iran seized its oil tanker.

 

Al Jazeera

Bell ends.

[desensitized43]

3 hours ago, ml1dch said:

 

Obviously usual pinch of salt etc, but the Tories losing voters to the Lib Dems but gaining them from the NF Party is ideal. 

Turn a few marginals from blue to yellow, a few others from blue to red due to the Tory / NF vote split.

In any other time Corbyn would have gone or become dead man walking at this point. They should be stomping the tories but the anti-semetic pseudo-communist continues to fail us all.

[Wainy316]

If we had a GE now nothing would ever get passed in parliament.  Four parties with a pretty equal share!

[chrisp65]

Polling is really awkward to transfer in to first past the post.

Libdems got twice the number of votes the SNP managed in 2017. 

Libdems got 12 seats, SNP got 35.

All the minnow parties together achieved a combined total number of votes half that of the LibDems, but got 57 seats. Whilst not even registering on one of the polls of how britain votes.

 

[bickster]

SOmeones idea of a flowchart of Johnson's options. We've already got past the first stage

[peterms]

Johnson seems to be handling cabinet selections in a way that will set people against him more than necessary.  I don't understand the reasoning here.

[bickster]

2 minutes ago, peterms said:

I don't understand the reasoning here

I've spotted a fundamental flaw there

[blandy]

48 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

If we had a GE now nothing would ever get passed in parliament.  Four parties with a pretty equal share!

 

32 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

Polling is really awkward to transfer in to first past the post.

Libdems got twice the number of votes the SNP managed in 2017. 

Libdems got 12 seats, SNP got 35.

All the minnow parties together achieved a combined total number of votes half that of the LibDems, but got 57 seats. Whilst not even registering on one of the polls of how britain votes.

 

These two post made me wonder whether if there's another hung parliament, there might not be more chance of a condition being made by minor parties for their support to depend on a proper PR referendum. Probably not, given how referenda have been somewhat discredited, but basically all parties apart from the tories are at least not opposed completely to PR.

[StefanAVFC]

14 out.

Building a cabinet of Yes men and women.

[StefanAVFC]

18 now

[peterms]

1 minute ago, blandy said:

 

These two post made me wonder whether if there's another hung parliament, there might not be more chance of a condition being made by minor parties for their support to depend on a proper PR referendum. Probably not, given how referenda have been somewhat discredited, but basically all parties apart from the tories are at least not opposed completely to PR.

Two things on this.  First, at the time of the 2010 coalition, a referendum on PR was a condition of Libdem support, and the main parties accepted this even though it would be harmful to them if passed, and would severely curtail their ability to form a government alone in future.  A second Brexit vote is surely less difficult to get support for, than this.

Second, Greens have consulted members about the idea of working closely with other parties to stop Brexit, and there is strong support for doing so if such proposals don't contradict their core values, and are more likely to lead to PR and an increase in Green MPs.  It's not a proposal to initiate discussions with others, and it's subject to local discretion, but the mood is more open to electoral co-operation than previously.

[bickster]

Javid is C of E

[chrisp65]

Just now, blandy said:

 

These two post made me wonder whether if there's another hung parliament, there might not be more chance of a condition being made by minor parties for their support to depend on a proper PR referendum. Probably not, given how referenda have been somewhat discredited, but basically all parties apart from the tories are at least not opposed completely to PR.

I'm not sure the DUP with 10 seats from less than 300,000 votes would be up for PR.

FPP kills the game somewhat in england as there isn't quite the backing for Meibion Kernow or the Yorkshire Party, but its a life blood for other regional parties. 

I think a more likely shake out in the short term is a real push for another referendum in Scotland, where they are consistently set against what england wants, but just plain out voted.

 

On the subject of co-operation, the new ConLibDem leader has also categorically ruled out working with 'nationalists'.