HanoiVillan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, ml1dch said: 1. He's a Labour MP 2. Loads of people think he stopped being an MP to become a mayor ages ago, possibly confusing him a bit with Andy Burnham. 3. Lots of people are surprised to learn that he is still a Labour MP. Sure seems like party leader material! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Without Googling, can you tell me three things about him, other than 'he used to be in the Army'? Army type. Solid. Solid army type. Shoulders back chest out lovely boy. He’d press the **** button, no mistake sarge. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) On 30/12/2019 at 12:25, chrisp65 said: The scrutiny for the next Labour leader is going to be at a different level to that afforded the current man of the people tory leader. Somehow, it’s that which has to be overcome. RLB will be dissected for anything that hints at not being perfect and instantly massively popular. As will all the other candidates. Can you imagine any one of them having the police called to their house due to loud arguing in the middle of the night. Or **** off to Mustique for a few weeks having said they’d get straight down to work on Brexit. Or not being able to name all their kids. The system will be loaded against whatever leader they select. They can minimise the hate by selecting candidates that various lobbies disapprove of less. But we’ve had candidates who’s parents were too Jewish, candidates who hate Jews, candidates too boring or too Scottish or too ginger or Welsh or scruffy or whatever. Absolute mountain to climb to get beyond the average punter’s grasp of politics as a celebrity game show. Phwoawahaa!! Bozza the shagger! The scruffy haired scamp. The media in this country truly is a farce. The Times look like they're getting ready to hold the government to account! Yet more Orbanisation, great. Edited January 1, 2020 by HanoiVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 5 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Without Googling, can you tell me three things about him, other than 'he used to be in the Army'? He wasn’t a Corbynista; when his wife died in 2015 he prioritized his two young boys instead of challenging Miliband for the leadership; people I know who served with him in 2006 reckon he’s an outstanding bloke. So far as politics goes he had me at “I’m not a Corbynista,” because as we all know they’re electoral cancer who will never, ever win a general election. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Awol said: He wasn’t a Corbynista; when his wife died in 2015 he prioritized his two young boys instead of challenging Miliband for the leadership; people I know who served with him in 2006 reckon he’s an outstanding bloke. So far as politics goes he had me at “I’m not a Corbynista,” because as we all know they’re electoral cancer who will never, ever win a general election. Point three is clearly cheating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-latest-poll-keir-starmer-jeremy-corbyn-vote-jess-phillips-a9267201.html Quote Keir Starmer has emerged as early frontrunner in the race for the Labour leadership, in a poll of members which countered assumptions that they will pick a “continuity Corbyn” candidate from the party’s left wing. The shadow Brexit secretary led the field among potential contenders, favoured by 31 per cent of members in the poll by YouGov for the Party Members Project. And the survey suggested that he would comfortably win a final run-off with shadow business secretary Rebecca Long Bailey, taking 61 per cent of the vote. The poll of 1,059 Labour party members between 20 and 30 December put Sir Keir on 31 per cent for first choice votes, with 20 per cent backing Ms Long Bailey. Backbencher Jess Phillips received 11 per cent, while Clive Lewis and Yvette Cooper were the first choice for 7 per cent, shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry was picked by 6 per cent and Wigan MP Lisa Nandy by 5 per cent. Sir Keir, who piloted Labour through its tortuous progress towards backing a second referendum on Brexit, has yet to announce his candidacy in the race to succeed Mr Corbyn, due to begin formally next week. Only Mr Lewis and shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry have so far thrown their hats into the ring. The poll contradicts suggestions that the party might opt for a left-wing leader from outside London, not associated with the anti-Brexit cause, in order to appeal to the Leave-voting northern and Midlands seats lost to Conservatives in last month’s election. Starmer is not the right leader to win back traditional Labour voters in the seats it lost in December, said Mr Coyle. “If we say to those voters ‘Do you want another white bloke from Islington?’ they are probably going to come back with the same answer as they have just given us in the last election,” he said. The finding suggests that support for Ms Long Bailey among the inner circle around Mr Corbyn and the left-leaning Momentum group may not be enough to make her the party’s first female leader. Prof Tim Bale of Queen Mary University of London, who jointly ran the poll with the University of Sussex, told The Guardian: “This is not shaping up to be a 2015-style Labour leadership contest. “Unless potential candidates drop out before the start of voting, it may take a few rounds to decide the winner this time around. “But it doesn’t look at the moment as if the winner will come from the left of the party. Right now anyway, Keir Starmer looks to be heading for a fairly emphatic victory.” He added: “It certainly doesn’t look as if Labour’s members are necessarily persuaded that it’s time the party had a female leader. They seem more interested in picking the best person for the job, irrespective of gender.” Brexit may affect the result as Long Bailey is ranked first by 19% of members who voted Remain but 31% of Leave voters. Starmer is ranked first by 17% of Leavers but 34% of Remainers. Most members are Remainers. Candidates for the Labour leadership will require nominations from 10 per cent of the party’s MPs and MEPs – currently 22 – as well as either five per cent of constituency parties or three affiliated groups such as trade unions. Voting takes place on a one-person one-vote basis among party members, affiliated supporters and registered supporters. Voters rank candidates in order of preference, with votes redistributed as the least-popular contender is eliminated in a series of rounds until one has more than 50 per cent of ballots. The YouGov poll does not include trade union members and registered supporters, both groups which heavily backed Corbyn for leader in 2015 and 2016 and might be expected to favour a candidate from the left of the party this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I haven't been following this but is there a timeline for all of this? Has JC said a date he will stand down or when the official leadership election will start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 JC said he's neutral on the date he will stand down. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 6, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 6, 2020 New Labour Leader to be in place on April 4th. (Only three days late ) It's going to cost £25 for supporters to vote, free for members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, bickster said: New Labour Leader to be in place on April 4th. (Only three days late ) It's going to cost £25 for supporters to vote, free for members It’s just £1 plus your usual call rate to vote in the ice dance and baking rounds. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 6, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: It’s just £1 plus your usual call rate to vote in the ice dance and baking rounds. I'd pay a tenner to join in at the throw rotten fruit and vegetables at the previous incumbent round 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KentVillan Posted January 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 Was just wondering which football managers are closest in personality and style to each of the candidates... Emily Thornberry - Alan Pardew... an absolute fraud who gets away with it by charming their way through TV appearances Clive Lewis - Mark Sampson... popular for a while, but turned out to be a bit naughty Jess Phillips - Gary Neville... shit leader, decent pundit, honest to a fault Lisa Nandy - Eddie Howe... seems bright and competent, but for some reason can't quite see them getting a top job Rebecca Long-Bailey - Ole Gunnar Solsjkaer... out of their depth, but lots of backing from influential figures Keir Starmer - Dean Smith... honest, sensible, reliable, uncharismatic, maybe not imaginative enough to get us back to the top, but a safe pair of hands in the meantime Ian Lavery - Sam Allardyce... corrupt, old school loudmouth 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 The Lewis and Lavery ones made me chuckle, but is Jess Phillips a 'decent pundit'? I can't think of a time when she's ever analysed anything very persuasively. Seems pretty unfair to Neville, that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Thinking about it, Jess Phillips is more like Marco Silva. No real track record to speak of, but loves talking about herself, and keeps being treated as more high profile and competent than she is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Thinking about it, Jess Phillips is more like Marco Silva. No real track record to speak of, but loves talking about herself, and keeps being treated as more high profile and competent than she is. saw an article the other week that referred to her as the member of parliament for Jess Phillips 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2020 From my very uninformed, layman point of view, not knowing much about any of the candidates really apart from Jess Phillips, I like the look of Nandy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: The Lewis and Lavery ones made me chuckle, but is Jess Phillips a 'decent pundit'? I can't think of a time when she's ever analysed anything very persuasively. Seems pretty unfair to Neville, that one. It wasn’t meant as a compliment. Neville’s record in management was pretty shocking. They’re both rent-a-gobs aren’t they? Maybe Tim Sherwood would be a better fit? Edited January 7, 2020 by KentVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, KentVillan said: It wasn’t meant as a compliment. Neville’s record in management was pretty shocking. They’re both rent-a-gobs aren’t they? Take your point, but Neville is a gold standard analyst. Phillips can't analyse things properly, because she isn't interested in anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, HanoiVillan said: Take your point, but Neville is a gold standard analyst. Phillips can't analyse things properly, because she isn't interested in anything. How about Tactics Tim? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, KentVillan said: How about Tactics Tim? That's the one! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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