Genie Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, snowychap said: They probably wondered what the hell he was dribbling on about (who cares that he's a Villa fan?). Did the Tory party ever suspend Chris Davies? Flipping heck mate, you could take 5 minutes off now and again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Genie said: Flipping heck mate, you could take 5 minutes off now and again. Taken plenty of time off, 'mate'. Really, what on earth is the point of your post other than to reduce it to something personal? Edited December 20, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) Good. Edited December 21, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 21, 2019 13 hours ago, snowychap said: Good. Was he really expecting otherwise? Was anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Labour under Corbyn were not centre-left. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 If you replace Labour with the Lib Dems in the "how are the good guys getting on" graphic, you're still taking about a bit of a horror show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Labour under Corbyn were not centre-left. Oh yes they were. (seasonal reference) From any reasonable northern European perspective, it was a moderate, incremental programme, too timid if anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mic09 Posted December 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, peterms said: Oh yes they were. (seasonal reference) From any reasonable northern European perspective, it was a moderate, incremental programme, too timid if anything. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 11 hours ago, peterms said: Oh yes they were. (seasonal reference) From any reasonable northern European perspective, it was a moderate, incremental programme, too timid if anything. I like the seasonal reference since pantos are all about laughter! Thanks for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Labour under Corbyn were not centre-left. Labour under Corbyn were more left-wing than some of the parties listed in that comparison, and less left-wing than others. The point you're missing is that Labour is the UK's centre-left, social democratic party. At various points they can be more, or less, left-wing, but they are the same *party* that was led by Brown and Blair and Kinnock and Foot and Callaghan. There is a long-term decline among left-wing, social democratic parties in Europe. 2017 Corbyn bucked that trend, quite considerably, whereas 2019 Corbyn suggests a return to it. The broader outlook for this group of parties is very pessimistic, and that's the point that the tweet is making. Edited December 22, 2019 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 21/12/2019 at 21:44, peterms said: It’s absolutely not just about Brexit, the whole world seems to be becoming like Russia. Wonder why......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 23, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 23, 2019 15 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Labour under Corbyn were more left-wing than some of the parties listed in that comparison, and less left-wing than others. The point you're missing is that Labour is the UK's centre-left, social democratic party. At various points they can be more, or less, left-wing, but they are the same *party* that was led by Brown and Blair and Kinnock and Foot and Callaghan. There is a long-term decline among left-wing, social democratic parties in Europe. 2017 Corbyn bucked that trend, quite considerably, whereas 2019 Corbyn suggests a return to it. The broader outlook for this group of parties is very pessimistic, and that's the point that the tweet is making. So the Labour Party faces a dilemma of direction Stick with the Momentum / Left wing policies they've already shown aren't popular and face extinction or move to a position which is more acceptable to the electorate with a capable leadership team and stand a chance They'll choose the former, Laura Pillocks conclusion over the weekend that Blair is to blame for the current party's demise is so stupid but typical of the blindness of the left inside their little bubble 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) It's as though they made being a 'delusional dim-wit' one of the entry criteria to becoming a member. Edited December 23, 2019 by Dr_Pangloss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, bickster said: So the Labour Party faces a dilemma of direction Stick with the Momentum / Left wing policies they've already shown aren't popular and face extinction or move to a position which is more acceptable to the electorate with a capable leadership team and stand a chance They'll choose the former, Laura Pillocks conclusion over the weekend that Blair is to blame for the current party's demise is so stupid but typical of the blindness of the left inside their little bubble It seems to me completely bizarre that when you're conducting a review into why you keep losing elections, you wouldn't ask the most the successful Labour leader in the parties history. The guy that won 3 elections in a row and managed to deliver majorities that the current crop would only see in their dreams. Instead they seem content to speak only to the losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Blair is a total word removed but everything he has said post election has been 100% spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 23, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: It seems to me completely bizarre that when you're conducting a review into why you keep losing elections, you wouldn't ask the most the successful Labour leader in the parties history. The guy that won 3 elections in a row and managed to deliver majorities that the current crop would only see in their dreams. Instead they seem content to speak only to the losers. In "you couldn't make it up" news, it seems they are asking Ed Milliband... Quote Ed Miliband to join review of Labour's election failure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Christ. It'd be like us drafting in Tactics Tim for some advice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 23, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 23, 2019 Whoever they pick as leader, they are going to struggle... I think this in part is due to the Cult of Corbyn sucking up all the headlines, it was always more about Corbyn than anyone else. Only 25% had heard of Barry the Gardener and he was like super-sub, stick the gardener on he'll stay on message... he must ave been on telly 5 times the amount that McDonnell was and still the electorate don't know who he is. Corbyn, Corbyn, Corbyn, Corbyn. The cult of personality. I will say the press are as much to blame for that but Labour kept pushing Corbyn above all else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 23, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Christ. It'd be like us drafting in Tactics Tim for some advice. Or getting David St. Hubbins to order your stage set 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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