Jon Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Belated sense wins out. Who the **** selected her in the 1st place? Were they not aware of her nutjob tendencies, or did they agree with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 One would have to wonder at the standard of candidates who she beat to be selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, Risso said: One would have to wonder at the standard of candidates who she beat to be selected. That’s what happens when you turn a political party into a cult. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 26, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 26, 2018 39 minutes ago, Risso said: One would have to wonder at the standard of candidates who she beat to be selected. I know, they must have been really bad - Rees Mogg, Johnson, Gove, May, Leadsom bad, even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 40 minutes ago, Risso said: One would have to wonder at the standard of candidates who she beat to be selected. I'm more interested to hear about these "High Standards" they claim to have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, blandy said: I know, they must have been really bad - Rees Mogg, Johnson, Gove, May, Leadsom bad, even. as this is the labour thread , if you had to rank that list of names in some form of ability / competence ( just pretend) , where would you then put Corbyn in the list ? no cheating and say all of them joint last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 26, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: as this is the labour thread , if you had to rank that list of names in some form of ability / competence ( just pretend) , where would you then put Corbyn in the list ? no cheating and say all of them joint last As a candidate in terms of ability/competence (so leaving aside political views) , probably second (in a good way) - as a party leader equal last place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, blandy said: As a candidate in terms of ability/competence (so leaving aside political views) , probably second (in a good way) - as a party leader equal last place. Gove first ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 26, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: Gove first ? I don't like thinking about it. Don't make me think about it again. You could make a case for that, but he's still an untrustworthy word removed. You could make a case for May just as an MP candidate, but she's horrible too. The others are just irredeemable efftards...actuallly that's not harsh enough. All of them are irredeemable efftards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 26, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: as this is the labour thread , if you had to rank that list of names in some form of ability / competence ( just pretend) , where would you then put Corbyn in the list ? no cheating and say all of them joint last Gove and Rees-Moog are more competent than Corbyn, the rest, less so. BUT all the people on that list are more despicable than Corbyn and as you know I'm not very fond of Corbyn either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 hours ago, bickster said: Gove and Rees-Moog are more competent than Corbyn, the rest, less so. BUT all the people on that list are more despicable than Corbyn and as you know I'm not very fond of Corbyn either I wouldn't say that Rees-Mogg was any more competent. Both of their talents consist of saying whatever the politically naive want to hear, and hang the real-life consequences. Brexit made flesh, the pair of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 26, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: I wouldn't say that Rees-Mogg was any more competent. Both of their talents consist of saying whatever the politically naive want to hear, and hang the real-life consequences. Brexit made flesh, the pair of them. Same could be said of Corbyn, their better competence imo is because they are actually better at getting their message across. Their policies by and large are reprehensible but that’s not what I’m talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, bickster said: Same could be said of Corbyn, their better competence imo is because they are actually better at getting their message across. Their policies by and large are reprehensible but that’s not what I’m talking about I know the same could be said of Corbyn - that's the point. They are equally adept at whistling for the own dogs, and their competence begins and ends there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 26, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 26, 2018 I think what you do is pick the people that broadly reflect the way you believe things should be done, those with policies that reflect your own beliefs; then you judge what's left in terms of competency. So there's never really a question of comparing Corbyn with that list because that list are ruled out on policy if you're awake and have a heart. I think that's where Corbyn gets the "cult" thing from - there are an awful lot of people out there representing the corporate viewpoint, but not many representing the things that people want - because of that Corbyn gets a bit of a bye. Which is a pity, it'd be great to have Corbyn policies delivered by a slick politician, an Obama or a Trudeau - but we don't have one at the moment - I think Corbyn's effectiveness will eventually be judged in terms of how his policies start to drag British politics back toward the centre - hopefully that in itself will result in more politicians more interested in the public good than their own pockets and those of their 'real' constituents in banks and hedge funds. It'd be nice to have a list as long as the other one to judge his competence against. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted April 26, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 26, 2018 Laura Pidcock is probably the only MP who really stands out as being the things I'd expect from an MP. She's far too junior for anything leadership related right now, but I'm looking forward to seeing her growth. British politics is absolutely devoid of inspirational leadership. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, NurembergVillan said: Laura Pidcock is probably the only MP who really stands out as being the things I'd expect from an MP. She's far too junior for anything leadership related right now, but I'm looking forward to seeing her growth. British politics is absolutely devoid of inspirational leadership. I've met Laura a few times. She's a friend of a friend. You can tell just listening to her, she really means it. Not just in it for a career, she genuinely wants to help make things better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: I'm looking forward to seeing her growth. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted April 26, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, snowychap said: I'd forgotten he had rectangular eyebrows. Niche. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted April 26, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, dAVe80 said: I've met Laura a few times. She's a friend of a friend. You can tell just listening to her, she really means it. Not just in it for a career, she genuinely wants to help make things better. That's the impression I get. Of the more established lot, on both sides, I wonder how many of them started with altruistic ambitions and got lost along the way and how many were arseholes from the outset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Flicking over to QT, it looks like Diane Abbott has lost a few teeth. Fisticuffs in PLP meetings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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