Awol Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 5 hours ago, Mantis said: Corbyn sacked Clive Lewis as well, seemingly for supporting official Labour policy on defence. Bizarre. Bizarre, it's hilarious! Amazingly his supporters don't seem to care or recognize that he is destroying the Labour Party as an electoral force. Sure, he's recruited most of the Stop the War coalition types as new members, but that's a finite vein of opinion in the country at large. In terms of making the Labour Party electable? That's self-delusion on an epic scale. 100 odd years ago the Labour movement turned various pressure groups (unionized workers et al) into an organized political entity fit for government. Corbyn and friends seem intent on dismantling & reversing that great achievement. It's more like the 'regressive' than the 'progressive' Left. Still, it's interesting to watch. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 8 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Lo and behold, he's sacked his chief whip and the floor has fallen out of the whole thing already. Quelle surprise. Didn't even have the intelligence to wait to do it until everyone else was in place, so that they actually had to resign something meaningful. Instead everyone is using it as an excuse not to sign up. Tried to sack her over the phone as well, which is pretty poor form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendelc Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Chakrabarti , Abbott and Thornberry .Cant see many white working class males voting for these 3 idiots . RIP Labour . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I don't care much for Abbott, but what's wrong with the other two? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: I don't care much for Abbott, but what's wrong with the other two? Thornberry is incredibly snobbish and also pretty incompetent and Chakrabarti seems to have agreed to make the antisemitism inquiry a whitewash in exchange for a peerage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 9, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2016 'White working class males' give as much of a **** about an anti-Semitism inquiry as they do the results of the Woking WI jam making competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 49 minutes ago, Mantis said: Thornberry is incredibly snobbish and also pretty incompetent and Chakrabarti seems to have agreed to make the antisemitism inquiry a whitewash in exchange for a peerage. First accusation is based on taking a photograph of someone's house and second accusation is potentially libelous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: .... and second accusation is potentially libelous. ....and hard not to conclude is a likely scenario. Labour has no problem with anti Semitism. Honest, guv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: First accusation is based on taking a photograph of someone's house and second accusation is potentially libelous. No. It's the comment she made along with the photograph. It was a dog-whistle but she knew what she was doing. As for your second comment, Mantis is lucky there is no offence of 'potential libel.' It isn't libellous either. He added 'seems.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Awol said: ....and hard not to conclude is a likely scenario. Labour has no problem with anti Semitism. Honest, guv. Amazingly, Corbyn said in his speech his party has no truck with racism/anti-semitism/any form of -ism. A man from Jewish Labour spoke previously at the conference and was heckled from the hall floor. I don't think they were trying to tell him his fly was down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Heretic said: No. It's the comment she made along with the photograph. It was a dog-whistle but she knew what she was doing. As for your second comment, Mantis is lucky there is no offence of 'potential libel.' It isn't libellous either. He added 'seems.' No, indeed, it isn't libelous. However, had the word 'seems' not been there it would have been. If Mantis has any evidence of Shami Chakrabarti corruptly agreeing to provide a favourable report in exchange for a peerage he should of course release it; it would be an explosive scandal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 labour has as much of an anti-semitism problem now as it did when Milliband, Blair, Brown, Smith, Kinnock etc were leaders: i.e. some **** ignorant idiots out of a party that number thousands, only now it is convenient to focus on the idiots as a means of making wildly generalistic claims on the rest of the party, thanks to the media disseminating their bollocks to undermine him. Of course, by this example, every single tory is a smug word removed who abandons kids in pubs and **** dead pigs. Every single UKIP member is a **** racist throwback skinhead jim davidson fan, every single reader of everything leftitsh likes knitting and is a vegan, and everyone right wing is a dictator loving psychopath who hates gays women and minorities and believes the white man is subject to discrimination. Yeah, playing this game is fun :/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I have a mate - Villa season ticket holder since the old king was alive- who was also a full time branch secretary for NALGO, then UNISON. He thus went to many Labour and Union conferences. He reckons that these Labour party members are not truly anti-semitic (surely that would be mutually exclusive) but are very supportive of Palestine which, it seems, is a 'cause celebre ' with a number of London MP's (in particular). I wonder if that is where all this stems from ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Sympathy / support for Palestine is not anti semitism. Any awareness of the history of it all should lead to rhat position. Once the Israelis forced the Palestininians into radicalisation (simply no political outlet for change at all) by the 80s it becomes alot easier to publicise all of them as terrorists with no consideration whatsoever for what caused tge state of affairs in the first place. Of course the palestinians had some opportunities to help themselves since then but not surprisingly a massive amount of mistrust and a political leadership that is now coopted by utter bastards makes it a futile scenario. It'll only end when the Israelis complete their creeping settlement to the extent what remaining palestinians who havent gone down the bomb route give in and get re settled elsewhere in a few generations time. Given that calling the Israeli government to account leads to disingenous counter claims of racism / misrepresenting viewpoints, political solutions seem impossible. One side has far more clout and influence than the other and that has consequences for general perceptions amongst your every man. It seems to me alot of the anti semitism noise comes from conflating criticidm of a state with that of the jews as an entire group. Often intentionally conflated of course but makes discussion of the damn thing tricky. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Rodders said: ..Of course, by this example, every single tory is a smug word removed who abandons kids in pubs and **** dead pigs. Every single UKIP member is a **** racist throwback skinhead jim davidson fan, every single reader of everything leftitsh likes knitting and is a vegan, and everyone right wing is a dictator loving psychopath who hates gays women and minorities and believes the white man is subject to discrimination. That's a reasonable summary of the views expressed in most political threads on VT. Nice work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Anyone with a few minutes and some tissues to spare should have a listen to Vicky Foxcroft's speech from earlier today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) Edit: Blandy's covered it. Edited October 14, 2016 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 14, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 14, 2016 She talked about her tiny baby dying, snowy. Tear jerking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, blandy said: She talked about her tiny baby dying, snowy. Tear jerking. Right. Thanks for letting us know. Edited previous post. Edited October 14, 2016 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 So predictable . . . Labour MPs call for ballots to signal open dissent against Corbyn Labour backbenchers are preparing to call for a series of MPs’ ballots to signal their dissent from the party’s leadership on policy areas where they believe Jeremy Corbyn is out of step with mainstream public opinion. Heathrow expansion, which Corbyn opposes, will be the test case for the new approach, which one critical backbencher called “constructively muscular”. If accepted, the proposal could see MPs openly defy the official position of their leader. [. . .] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/16/labour-mps-call-for-ballots-to-signal-open-dissent-against-corbyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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