penguin Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Does make sense that the team performs better when a new manager comes in, as they would have got the boot for under-performing so unless the owner has wrongly inflated expectations of the squads potential the new manager simply needs to get them to perform to their ability. In theory. Over-simplified I know but the general point makes sense, at least to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I don't think it is. Sunderland were doomed under Poyet. They are absolutely dreadful. A bit like us under Lambert, they're squad is not as bad as their performances make it look. I think we'll do enough regardless, but always better to have teams down there worse than you. You are likely correct. I'm just worried we might fall apart again. Just typical worry about us from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Bad news. We are still right in this mess. We have some really tough fixtures coming up which could knock all this confidence away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Does make sense that the team performs better when a new manager comes in, as they would have got the boot for under-performing so unless the owner has wrongly inflated expectations of the squads potential the new manager simply needs to get them to perform to their ability. In theory. Over-simplified I know but the general point makes sense, at least to me. There is a whole host of real reasons why a new manager will change the attitude of players, for the better or worse. If a team is performing badly, it can often be that they don't want to play for that manager...or have come to a crossroads in which they may feel no matter how they perform it would not change anything with the current manager. Take the manager out and put a new one in, then suddenly all bets are off and there is a different desire to put more/less effort in. What you need when you're at the bottom for simple survival is a team of players with something to prove, and this is often the case with a new person in charge. It's Tims job to recognise the players who have stepped up their game and keep them interested as to try and keep them performing well...keep the new manager impact going as it were. What we don't want is a Sunderland situation, avoid relegation and then players slumping back to square one...from all the noises being made I don't believe that will be the case with Tim, at least I hope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Bad news. We are still right in this mess. We have some really tough fixtures coming up which could knock all this confidence away. Not sure about that, I think we will beat Swansea and if we do I think we only need another 4 points after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Does make sense that the team performs better when a new manager comes in, as they would have got the boot for under-performing so unless the owner has wrongly inflated expectations of the squads potential the new manager simply needs to get them to perform to their ability. In theory. Over-simplified I know but the general point makes sense, at least to me. Yes, I think the technical term is 'regression to the mean'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Anyone else see his pre match interview at Sunderland? Think it's on Gillette SS. Complete confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 This new manager bounce is real according to a stat I heard on the radio (So possibly bollocks). It said that the 10 games leading up to a managers dismissal the team averages a point per game, when the new manager comes in it goes up to 1.3 points in the next 10 games..... But that is new managers generally. In relation to relegation threatened clubs, late in season,it fails more often than succeeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Really hope Sherwood finds time to mention how the Reading fans pitch invasion is being treated totally differently to ours. So angry at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Really hope Sherwood finds time to mention how the Reading fans pitch invasion is being treated totally differently to ours. So angry at this. There isn't even an article on SSN saying this even though there was for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 This new manager bounce is real according to a stat I heard on the radio (So possibly bollocks). It said that the 10 games leading up to a managers dismissal the team averages a point per game, when the new manager comes in it goes up to 1.3 points in the next 10 games..... But that is new managers generally. In relation to relegation threatened clubs, late in season,it fails more often than succeeds. I'm not saying I agree with it, its just what I heard. I think some people would have you believe that the rise in points is far more dramatic than the .3 the stat suggests as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 This new manager bounce is real according to a stat I heard on the radio (So possibly bollocks). It said that the 10 games leading up to a managers dismissal the team averages a point per game, when the new manager comes in it goes up to 1.3 points in the next 10 games..... But that is new managers generally. In relation to relegation threatened clubs, late in season,it fails more often than succeeds. I'm not saying I agree with it, its just what I heard. I think some people would have you believe that the rise in points is far more dramatic than the .3 the stat suggests as well. Doesn't take in to account fixtures, either. How many teams battling relegation sack their manager right before they play teams like Man City or Chelsea? Usually it seems like it's a decision made in the run up to important winnable fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juteface Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Really hope Sherwood finds time to mention how the Reading fans pitch invasion is being treated totally differently to ours. So angry at this. http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/31791998 Has "Reading fans celebrate on the pitch" under a picture of fans and flares on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 The BBC are absolute words removed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 The majority of the media are absolute words removed. Fixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Reading supporters celebrate on the pitch after the game I think that's probably pretty relevant to the story, though if it's true they had flares then they are words removed for not making any mention of it in a derogatory fashion. Either way, we can't really have much to complain about considering those bellend Villa fans invaded the pitch with minutes still left on the clock, so what do you expect? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Reading supporters celebrate on the pitch after the game I think that's probably pretty relevant to the story, though if it's true they had flares then they are words removed for not making any mention of it in a derogatory fashion. Either way, we can't really have much to complain about considering those bellend Villa fans invaded the pitch with minutes still left on the clock, so what do you expect? But very little of the HUGE coverage made any distinction between the one a minute before the end and the one after, including the BBC commentators (not Lineker) who continued after. There is no question that two very similar events have already been treated totally differently and I would love to hear Sherwood reference that, as no- one else will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 The BBC were critising Villa fans for the pitch invasion after the game as well, that's when one of the Commentary team described the scenes as something like a throw back to the eighties. Only Gary Lineker seemed to be fair in his view on what was going on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brommy Posted March 17, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Reading supporters celebrate on the pitch after the game I think that's probably pretty relevant to the story, though if it's true they had flares then they are words removed for not making any mention of it in a derogatory fashion.Either way, we can't really have much to complain about considering those bellend Villa fans invaded the pitch with minutes still left on the clock, so what do you expect? I think people are looking for some perspective from the media in regard to a very foolish but relatively small and quick celebratory pitch invasion that was a couple of minutes too early and was followed by a mass celebration on the pitch after the match had finished. The media seem to have bound both incursions together under the 'disgrace' category; criticising the after match celebration as a potential danger to the players (although it would appear from video evidence that some of the the wba players were more dangerous than the happy fans). I haven't yet seen any media outlets criticising the Reading pitch invasion, complete with flares on the pitch, as a potential danger to the players. Much like decent refereeing, most people prefer consistency from the public media. I wonder, when the FA fine Villa for the pitch invasions (as they should, at least for the invasion during the game), will the fine be broken down into a penalty for the invasion during the match (£150k for example) and a fine for after the match (£50k for example)? If so will the FA fine Reading a similar amount for their invasion at the final whistle? It will be interesting to see what happens. Edited March 17, 2015 by brommy 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) We **** our pitch invasion up buy coming on when Sinclair scored, then coming on again in injury time, then coming on again after the whistle. If the fans had only invaded the pitch after the final whistle no one would have made anything of it. Edited March 17, 2015 by LondonLax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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