bobzy Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 7 minutes ago, DCJonah said: He's not trying enough if his lack of cover has led to 2 goals in 2 games. It's still more cover than Adama gives. Also, you really need to get over that people don't like Adama's lack of defensive work. If you can't, please at least stop derailing other threads (like this one) with conspiracy theories etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Did nobody notice that Bacuna was meant to be giving protection down that side? He left Hutton exposed a number of times. Gil should be playing centrally and let him and Ayew give us something decent in attack with their movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 How do you know Bacuna was supposed to be providing cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Classy. I still don't understand those that throw personal insults around like this. Cheers I was aiming for classy. It's a site for football fans. Sometimes posts and opinions can be colourful especially when it helps to more adequately express ones personal feelings on a specific player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 4, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, Richard said: Cheers I was aiming for classy. It's a site for football fans. Sometimes posts and opinions can be colourful especially when it helps to more adequately express ones personal feelings on a specific player. Each to their own. Calling our player a prick because he's not as good at football as you'd like him to be is pretty dumb, in my book. Edited January 4, 2016 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 It's not because he is not as good as I would like him to be. I have no issue in quality of their professional abilities that is something that is not their fault. For me I do not like his application of his abilities and his attitude. I happen to believe he puts himself first second and last and the team / club is nowhere in there. I believe he has a billy big bollox attitude and that he has brought that with him coming from citeh. I fully suspect one of the reasons why he is not playing right back is because of him and his terms (obviously I doubt they are written terms). I did not like the way he publically responded to criticism when called out by a fellow professional footballer. Afterall when you are captain of a team who is bottom having won one game all season you should expect a little criticism. His qualities are not suited to being a centre back. They are better suited to being a right back. The majority of those following the club can see this. It is, IMO, purely down to his own wishes that he is not played at right back. That is why I refered to him in that way as it is my opinion of him. Not really because his quality is not high, if that were the case I'd refer to most of the first team squad in that way. I refered to him in that manner as it is an attitude issue not an ability issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 4, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 4, 2016 So he's a prick because he's not being played in the position you'd like him to be played in? Like I said, each to their own. Seems pretty pathetic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted January 4, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 4, 2016 So Carles scores some decent goals then, doesn't he? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 3 hours ago, sexbelowsound said: I don't want to see Gestede anywhere near out starting lineup. In spite of Jack's embarrassing level of effort this week i'd still go with. Adama------------Gil--------------Grealish -------------------Ayew------------------------ I want to see Gestede when we actually play to his strengths and not leave him alone up top. We need people running off of him and getting crosses in. I think this might work well: Adama------------Gil----------------Ayew ------------------Gestede------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Shropshire Lad said: So Carles scores some decent goals then, doesn't he? Apparently he doesn't score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 How do you know Bacuna was supposed to be providing cover? He was the right sided central midfielder, he covered plenty of times but didn't on other occasions. Did you watch the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: So he's a prick because he's not being played in the position you'd like him to be played in? Like I said, each to their own. Seems pretty pathetic to me. No I think you ought to read my post again Steve, but hey I dont really need to justify myself or the language I use to you. Suggest if you are that sensitive about it you click ignore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 21 minutes ago, Bunnski said: He was the right sided central midfielder, he covered plenty of times but didn't on other occasions. Did you watch the game? I did thanks. Just didn't understand how Bacuna could be tasked with helping Hutton when he was playing central midfield. That seems like it would have left gaping holes in the centre? Maybe I missed him being tasked with supporting Hutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 31 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: So Carles scores some decent goals then, doesn't he? He does. He seems to give almost nothing else though. Forget his defensive work, which is crap, my issue is his lack of end product outside of the occasional screamer. Right now he's scoring enough of those occasional screamers (per minute played) to earn a bit of good will from me. Same as with Sinclair until he stopped scoring. To be honest, there's not a lot between Gil and Sinclair for me. Gil has better close control, Sinclair the burst of pace. Neither one good enough to be starting for a mid table Premier League side IMO. Luckily for them I guess that we aren't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 He was the right sided central midfielder, he covered plenty of times but didn't on other occasions. Did you watch the game? I did thanks. Just didn't understand how Bacuna could be tasked with helping Hutton when he was playing central midfield. That seems like it would have left gaping holes in the centre? Maybe I missed him being tasked with supporting Hutton. What? It's been a regular thing for our left and right sided central midfielders to be providing cover for our full backs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Bunnski said: What? It's been a regular thing for our left and right sided central midfielders to be providing cover for our full backs... Surely it depends on who is doing what at any given time? They should all be covering for each other. Without knowing their specific positions at each individual moment it;s hard to know who to "blame". Only that as a team, they're not cutting it. To try and sell Gil as being decent at defensive duties is ludicrous though. He might be better than Adama and Grealish, I'll give him that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 What? It's been a regular thing for our left and right sided central midfielders to be providing cover for our full backs... Surely it depends on who is doing what at any given time? They should all be covering for each other. Without knowing their specific positions at each individual moment it;s hard to know who to "blame". Only that as a team, they're not cutting it. To try and sell Gil as being decent at defensive duties is ludicrous though. He might be better than Adama and Grealish, I'll give him that. I never said he was decent at defensive duties, was just pointing out that Bacuna should be covering better and I'd rather have Gil in a central position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just now, Bunnski said: I never said he was decent at defensive duties, was just pointing out that Bacuna should be covering better and I'd rather have Gil in a central position. Ok. Think Bacuna does a fine job myself, never stops running. I'd rather have Veretout central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 4 hours ago, Richard said: Not tracking back for the goal wouldnt have been an issue if we had remotely more mobile and aware defenders than that useless prick Richards 100% If Gil was at 'fault' for the goal it was nothing compared to Richards' contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bunnski said: I never said he was decent at defensive duties, was just pointing out that Bacuna should be covering better and I'd rather have Gil in a central position. I still don't quite understand how you know that Bacuna was supposed to be covering/supporting Hutton from central midfield. I'm not saying you are wrong I'm just wondering how you know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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