Isa Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Pretty appalling article to be honest but the points he makes are fair, no issues with that. If the content is fair then it can hardly be labelled as "appalling". I thought I specialised in hyperbole! Appalling in terms of the way it was written. Ah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Pretty appalling article to be honest but the points he makes are fair, no issues with that. If the content is fair then it can hardly be labelled as "appalling". I thought I specialised in hyperbole! Appalling in terms of the way it was written. Ah. Sorry, I probably should have been clearer to begin with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 14, 2015 Can you two just get a room, please. Why do the rest of us have to watch you have the same argument over and over again on every page of this thread, as well as several others scattered around the forum? Didn't realise I was forcing you to read this thread. I apologise that my posts offended you. Maybe you should try the my little pony forums. They all get on nicely over there. No debates to hurt your feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I'd question any manager's sanity if...... I would question any managers sanity if I was watching what i have been watching for the last few years I'd question any manager's sanity if...... I would question any managers sanity if I was watching what i have been watching for the last few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Can you two just get a room, please. Why do the rest of us have to watch you have the same argument over and over again on every page of this thread, as well as several others scattered around the forum? Didn't realise I was forcing you to read this thread. I apologise that my posts offended you.Maybe you should try the my little pony forums. They all get on nicely over there. No debates to hurt your feelings. you've clearly never met a brony. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I have to agree with a lot of what MK says. When Lambert joined he was fresh and full of energy and enthusiasm. I was genuinely excited, but after McLeish who wouldn't be? I don't know what changed. Whether the lack of funds broke him down or the lack of faith from the pundits in the youth, but he has changed a lot. His shopping list, his energy, his tactics, all have changed. Maybe it's the pressure? Let's not forget that before us, he only had about an hour's Premier League management experience. Is he happy? I think it's a mixed bag. He has a great salary, a long contract and he's managing in the Premiership. However he has lost most of the fans, and maybe even the dressing room. I think he loves the job and has tried his best, but the task is too big for him. Something tells me if a Burnley or Leicester came in for him, he would be keen to go do the same job, but with a new chance (a la Pardew). But I firmly believe he has to go. Given funds and maybe a Championship team, he will succeed but I think this is just a bit much for him now. its like when Trevor Francis went and Sullivan said " we are all worn out".......thats what poor results do to everyone associated with the club including the manager and yes he looks " all worn out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Do not worry guys, it is only Mark Lawrenson. Edited January 14, 2015 by GENTLEMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) It needs to keep being repeated whilst Lambert embarrassingly remains in employment at this club - it's as simple as that really. No, it does not. And certainly not multiple times in one week from the same person who is evidently bearing a grudge. How does it help the club/team? It is becoming very similar to the vitriolic abuse Steve Kean received by Blackburn supporters, targeting and accusing one man for all of the club's woes. It is simply vile, and only helps to create a poisonous atmosphere. . Edited January 14, 2015 by GENTLEMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Lambert obviously has no issues with the funding he's been given or the conditions he works under. Its part of the problem, the manager and owner are both perfectly happy to just survive. So no wonder that's what we get. Haha spare me lad. You think Lambert would of liked to of had the funds to overhaul our squad in a couple of transfer windows rather than 6 windows and counting? This thread reminds me of when I search #avfc on twitter. 99% dribble Of course he'd want more. What manager wouldn't. He's here and signed a new deal and consistently praises the owner. What evidence do you have to suggest he's not happy with the conditions he works under? There's a lot more to it than that, and I'm pretty sure you know it. If he was unhappy with his working conditions would he still be here? Would he be signing a 4 year deal? It's your old black and white problem again. I think he's probably happy that he's managing a club like Aston Villa. His working conditions are good. He has excellent training facilities, an amazing stadium, he;s in the premier League and he has what he claims to be a good relationship with his boss. That doesn't mean that he's happy with his transfer budgets, or his wage budgets, or the limbo the club is in. It's not a tick box. There's no piece of paper that says "Are you happy? Yes or no" Just because he might be unhappy with some elements of his job doesn't mean he would quit. It doesn't mean he'd turn down an improved contract. That could be for admirable or less admirable reasons. He might love the challenge, be dying to turn things around and drag us up the table. Or, he might know that if he resigned he'd be unemployed with no pay off, and a damaged reputation. He's not performed well of late and he'd have a big "resigned when the going got tough" mark on his CV. Where as as it stands he'd be set for a big pay off if he got sacked, plus the knowledge from future employers that he's willing to work when it's tough and not walk out when he doesn't like something. Either way, to use the fact he hasn't resigned or didn't reject a new contract as evidence that he's totally happy with everything about his job is frankly ludicrous. you make some feasible points...but doesn't it not lend itself to, he is more likely to "put up" with the restrictions because he feels lucky to have the job. when are the tables going to turn where we are lucky to have the manager rather than the other way around? shouldn't that be the objective. Do you think, if we had a manager with charisma and presence that the financial restrictions would be the same?...."managing up" is my suggestion. I have a hunch a stronger character with more clout, would possibly secure better funding. Edited January 14, 2015 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I think it's Last Chance Saloon time for Lambert. Let's see how Gil and hopefully one or two others pan out, and if we're still hemorrhaging points 4 weeks from now, he should be shown the door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Didn't realise I was forcing you to read this thread. I apologise that my posts offended you. Maybe you should try the my little pony forums. They all get on nicely over there. No debates to hurt your feelings. Dude, if you think that the my little pony forums are nice you clearly haven't been on there enough! Princess Celestia is vicious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I'm just not sure what this procrastination is all about.....what is going to be different in 3 weeks time form now. what exactly are we waiting for divine intervention. ..... we have been playing that waiting game since he come. its just pure indecision by the owner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Maybe you should try the my little pony forums. They all get on nicely over there. No debates to hurt your feelings. That's pretty classy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcowans21 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 It needs to keep being repeated whilst Lambert embarrassingly remains in employment at this club - it's as simple as that really. No, it does not. And certainly not multiple times in one week from the same person who is evidently bearing a grudge. How does it help the club/team? It is becoming very similar to the vitriolic abuse Steve Kean received by Blackburn supporters, targeting and accusing one man for all of the club's woes. It is simply vile, and only helps to create a poisonous atmosphere. . Here we go again, because people are noticing the failings of Lambert, it has to be a 'Personal Grudge' or a 'Personal Vendetta'. If Isa wants to repeatedly share his feelings on the club, so be it, it's a forum, didnt realise you were a mod. It's not just Mat Kendrick saying how he feels either, so this 'Personal' tirade is just rubbish : http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brian-reade-column-aston-villa-4979624 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 This is pretty much the exact point r.e: his transfers being relatively successful and, also, him having a lack of proper funding. Some people post about "net spend" over Lambert's reign - it's completely irrelevant; not least a] because we had to start from scratch in terms of building a new squad (high wages, badly run club; other clubs haven't needed to do this) b] we had no desirable assets to sell on (high wages, happy to collect a nice, phat pay cheque) and c] because we haven't received, say, £30m in a window to spend on talent - we've had money dribbled out over 3 seasons. ...most people (I think?) would say we have a "decent enough" squad but are still short in terms of quality. So whilst Leicester are spending £9m on a player who Chelsea went in for (much like Okore, I suppose), we're spending £3.2m on an up and coming midfielder. Firstly, Lambert didn't have to start from scratch to build a new squad. His starting point was taking over a squad that finished 16th and was deemed as underachieving.On top of that he then spent about £26m in his first season with a remit, to reduce the wage bill ,and IMO would have had the decisions on which players he would need to move on, over a period of time, in order to achieve that. As for having no desirable assets to sell on - total nonsense. Darren Bent as an example had scored 18 league goals (for Villa) in 37 league starts before Lambert turned up. His value depreciated due to the tactics Lambert employed and then the dense decision to put him in the bomb squad. Other managers have been able to get more out of players on high wages and get them motivated and get decent performances out of them. The net funding (Lambert has had) is more than 55% of the league teams so there is no excuse in relation to transfer fees. An important point to make that is often overlooked is that part of a managers job is to also SELL players and preferably at their maximum value. Assuming Delph and Vlaar leave for free in the summer (as looks a decent possibility) then Lambert will have let 25 players go during his time at the club and recouped less than £5m for the lot of them. Terrible. As for Leicester we got beat by them convincingly with a lot of their best players out. The point about them spending £9m kind of misses the wider point that even with that signing Lambert has spent double what they have since he has been in charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 No, it does not. And certainly not multiple times in one week from the same person who is evidently bearing a grudge. How does it help the club/team? It is becoming very similar to the vitriolic abuse Steve Kean received by Blackburn supporters, targeting and accusing one man for all of the club's woes. It is simply vile, and only helps to create a poisonous atmosphere. . Good, I hope the atmosphere worsens until the buffoon's position becomes untenable in the eyes of the board. I'll tell you what doesn't help the club, having a piss-poor manager continuing to acheive nothing on the back of a 'make it up as you go along' strategy and incoherent tactics. As for the "vitriolic abuse", you mean like that which forced McLeish (you know...Lambert's predecesdor) out of the club? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 You can add ex players Lee Hendrie and Dwight Yorke to the Personal grudge and vendetta list as well I see they have spoke sense and declared the current manager is simply not good enough It's all a conspiracy i tell thee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Here we go again, because people are noticing the failings of Lambert, it has to be a 'Personal Grudge' or a 'Personal Vendetta'. If Isa wants to repeatedly share his feelings on the club, so be it, it's a forum, didnt realise you were a mod. It's not just Mat Kendrick saying how he feels either, so this 'Personal' tirade is just rubbish : http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brian-reade-column-aston-villa-4979624 To be fair, he was referring only to Kendrick with the 'personal grudge' bit in that post. But yeah, God forbid that independent journalists might not act simply as extentions of the club's PR machine and actually air their own opinions on the state of the club. Edited January 14, 2015 by Isa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcowans21 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Don't worry, when we are in League One, people will still be saying 'I will judge him after the next few games, i really think he will be an important manager in this clubs history' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcowans21 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Here we go again, because people are noticing the failings of Lambert, it has to be a 'Personal Grudge' or a 'Personal Vendetta'. If Isa wants to repeatedly share his feelings on the club, so be it, it's a forum, didnt realise you were a mod. It's not just Mat Kendrick saying how he feels either, so this 'Personal' tirade is just rubbish : http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brian-reade-column-aston-villa-4979624 To be fair, he was referring only to Kendrick with the 'personal grudge' bit in that post. But yeah, God forbid that independent journalists might not act simply as extentions of the club's PR machine and actually air their own opinions on the state of the club. I was referring to some posters in general mate claiming 'personal' issues. Edited January 14, 2015 by sidcowans21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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