bobzy Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I really wish you'd give up this net transfer spend argument, it's totally useless, and actively unhelpful in understanding finances. Let's say there are two clubs. One lets Fabian Delph leave for a free, and then signs Tom Cleverley for £8m. Another sells Aguero for £50m and buys Suarez for £58m. In your model, these two football clubs should be considered to be equal in terms of ability. You cannot understand the value of a business by looking only at its trading activity, while specifically ignoring the value of its assets. It's absurd. To start off with: Club A: Has Delph Club B: Has Aguero Therefore to start off with Club B is ALREADY in a superior position than club A as it ALREADY has a superior and more valuable player. Both teams then, in your example, increase their net transfer spend by £8m. The final outcome is club A is still superior therefore totally logical! You do realise that you're now posting against... yourself, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 2, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'd love to see the same as Burnley, but with Benteke in instead of Gabby. You just know that won't happen though. Gabby will be shoehorned into the attack, probably at the expense of Cole. Which will be annoying. If Cole is dropped for any other reason than fitness then I will be hugely disappointed. Me too. Would you bet any money on it not happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'd love to see the same as Burnley, but with Benteke in instead of Gabby. You just know that won't happen though. Gabby will be shoehorned into the attack, probably at the expense of Cole. Which will be annoying. If Cole is dropped for any other reason than fitness then I will be hugely disappointed. Me too. Would you bet any money on it not happening? He's got to stick with Cole. Absolutely has to. Play Cole behind Gabby and Benteke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 (edited) Sensible when the team has been stripped to its bare bones prior to the arrival of the current manager. Any additional sales would only have meant an even smaller playing squad with even less quality to choose from. Like people have said, plenty of sticks to beat Lambert with, this isn't one of them. Was it really stripped to the bare bones? You could argue Lambert's involvement in the bomb squad meant that many players values were vastly reduced when that was created. Regardless he took a team that was 16th (under Mcleish) and that wasn't deemed good enough. From that point only 8 teams have a net spend higher and we're often as bad as we were under Mcleish IMO. Other managers have also managed to develop players and sell them on at a profit in order to then strengthen the squad. Who are the players Lambert has made a profit on? He hasn't sold anyone of any note though yet has he? If if we put the following up for sale in Jan, I would argue we would make a profit on every one of them; Benteke Vlaar (even with 6 months left) Westwood Senderos Richardson Cissokho his other 'big money' signings (Okore and Kozak) have suffered long term injuries, so hard to say how this would have gone. plus I would argue that Weimann and Baker are worth more than when he arrived and I'm sure someone would pay a few quid for Grealish (who our awful manager convinced to sign a deal, despite alleged interest from 'big clubs') Edited December 2, 2014 by wazzap24 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted December 2, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'd love to see the same as Burnley, but with Benteke in instead of Gabby. You just know that won't happen though. Gabby will be shoehorned into the attack, probably at the expense of Cole. Which will be annoying. If Cole is dropped for any other reason than fitness then I will be hugely disappointed. Me too. Would you bet any money on it not happening? He's got to stick with Cole. Absolutely has to. Play Cole behind Gabby and Benteke. Personally I'd have him behind Benteke and Weimann. Weimann's movement is better than Gabbys. Not by much mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'd love to see the same as Burnley, but with Benteke in instead of Gabby. You just know that won't happen though. Gabby will be shoehorned into the attack, probably at the expense of Cole. Which will be annoying. If Cole is dropped for any other reason than fitness then I will be hugely disappointed. Me too. Would you bet any money on it not happening? He's got to stick with Cole. Absolutely has to. Play Cole behind Gabby and Benteke. Personally I'd have him behind Benteke and Weimann. Weimann's movement is better than Gabbys. Not by much mind. Either way, I'd like to see it happen. It won't, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 (edited) Win / win situation tonight. Win and it's three much needed and unlikely points. Lose and it's got to be goodbye to the most detested manager of my life time And, if i'm honest if the latter was guaranteed to happen i'd take a defeat right now. Anything to get that appalling stench out of Villa Park Tomorrow could be the start of a bright new era, i'd even welcome back Eck short term if needs be Don't trip over your bag of excuses on your way out Paul Edited December 2, 2014 by Ulver 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Win / win situation tonight. Win and it's three much needed and unlikely points. Lose and it's got to be goodbye to the most detested manager of my life time And, if i'm honest if the latter was guaranteed to happen i'd take a defeat right now. Anything to get that appalling stench out of Villa Park Tomorrow could be the start of a bright new era, i'd even welcome back Eck short term if needs be Don't trip over your bag of excuses on your way out Paul Replace a stench with a stench! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Win / win situation tonight. Win and it's three much needed and unlikely points. Lose and it's got to be goodbye to the most detested manager of my life time And, if i'm honest if the latter was guaranteed to happen i'd take a defeat right now. Anything to get that appalling stench out of Villa Park Tomorrow could be the start of a bright new era, i'd even welcome back Eck short term if needs be Don't trip over your bag of excuses on your way out Paul So full of anger! Chill your boots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I can't see him going if we lose tonight. Might just be my pessimism. Randy knows if Paul goes before January, a new gaffer would want/need funds to bring in a team he and the fans want to see. But if it were guaranteed that Paul would get the boot if we lost tonight, I think I'd take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I can't see him going if we lose tonight. Might just be my pessimism. Randy knows if Paul goes before January, a new gaffer would want/need funds to bring in a team he and the fans want to see.But if it were guaranteed that Paul would get the boot if we lost tonight, I think I'd take that. Hate to say it but so would I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Can't comprehend how people consider themselves supporters while hoping for us to lose despite whatever the state of the club may be. This thread just keeps on serving up absolute tripe. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik986 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I could never hope for a loss. I still hope for a change in playing style and results though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 (edited) Can't comprehend how people consider themselves supporters while hoping for us to lose despite whatever the state of the club may be. This thread just keeps on serving up absolute tripe. It's called short term pain for long term gain. Under Lambert we are quite likely to lose many more games. We have lost quite a few already so one more, in the grand scheme of things, is not going to make a lot of difference. By the way, get off your 'I am a better fan than you' box before you fall. I have been supporting Villa for a long time and even went when they were in division 3 so I don't like being branded by the likes of you. Edited December 2, 2014 by pacbuddies 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 For me it's for the greater good. We all hope for a change in playing style and results but I don't believe it will happen under Lambert. We drop three points and possibly change the manager and our long term chances, or we beat Crystal Palace 1-0 and struggle in around 16th. Believe me, I hate seeing Villa lose. I'm fed up with it, that's why I want a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Can't comprehend how people consider themselves supporters while hoping for us to lose despite whatever the state of the club may be. This thread just keeps on serving up absolute tripe. It's that "bigger picture" ya know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 For me it's for the greater good. We all hope for a change in playing style and results but I don't believe it will happen under Lambert. We drop three points and possibly change the manager and our long term chances, or we beat Crystal Palace 1-0 and struggle in around 16th. Believe me, I hate seeing Villa lose. I'm fed up with it, that's why I want a change. We will probably dig a result out, thats what normally happens with Lambert. We are utter bollocks week in week out and then he manages to scrape a couple of wins out of nowhere, everyone thinks we have turned a corner then we go on another sequence of bollocks results before he scrapes another couple of wins together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 For me it's for the greater good. We all hope for a change in playing style and results but I don't believe it will happen under Lambert. We drop three points and possibly change the manager and our long term chances, or we beat Crystal Palace 1-0 and struggle in around 16th. Believe me, I hate seeing Villa lose. I'm fed up with it, that's why I want a change. We will probably dig a result out, thats what normally happens with Lambert. We are utter bollocks week in week out and then he manages to scrape a couple of wins out of nowhere, everyone thinks we have turned a corner then we go on another sequence of bollocks results before he scrapes another couple of wins together. What you mean "we go again"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 At least Lambert is winning something. He is ahead of all the other premiership managers in 'The Sack Race' at 5/1 to get the push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Can't comprehend how people consider themselves supporters while hoping for us to lose despite whatever the state of the club may be. This thread just keeps on serving up absolute tripe. It's called short term pain for long term gain. Under Lambert we are quite likely to lose many more games. We have lost quite a few already so one more, in the grand scheme of things, is not going to make a lot of difference. By the way, get off your 'I am a better fan than you' box before you fall. I have been supporting Villa for a long time and even went when they were in division 3 so I don't like being branded by the likes of you. Lol ye I think I'm a better supporter of Villa because I want us to win tonight and you want us to lose. How far fetched and rightous of me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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