dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 If we splash 8m on shite like Cleverley when we can get gems like him for 3m then I will be fuming No pressure then Lambert. Gem after gem please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 If we splash 8m on shite like Cleverley when we can get gems like him for 3m then I will be fuming No pressure then Lambert. Gem after gem please. Indeed, if it was that simple to pick up gem after gem for £3m everybody would be doing it. Sometimes you need to pay the asking price, or over the odds. It just seems we, as fans, don't want to spend money on players like Cleverley, who have improved us, yet moan when we have the inevitable high percentage of £1m-£3m duds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 It's a stretch to suggest cleverley has improved us to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) It's a stretch to suggest cleverley has improved us to be honest. Edited December 24, 2014 by Dr_Pangloss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 It's a stretch to suggest cleverley has improved us to be honest. We won't be fighting relegation this year. Cleverley will have played his part in that, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 It's a stretch to suggest cleverley has improved us to be honest. We won't be fighting relegation this year. Cleverley will have played his part in that, This is a bit of a reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 It's a stretch to suggest cleverley has improved us to be honest. That has nothing to do with the point being made. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough though. You can't begin to "expect" signings of Sanchez's quality for relative peanuts time and time again, less money than we paid for Sasa Curcic. You're setting the manager up to fail. One day, if he lasts long enough (and we do), he will spend £8m+ on a dud. Don't be fuming about it, that's just the nature of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 It's a stretch to suggest cleverley has improved us to be honest. Agreed, but Sanchez has definitely improved us , how much did he cost again? While that's true definitely true, Sanchez has been a bonus this season, I think Cleverely has improved his performances while he's been with us and when we have the right players beside him we do look better, for example I quite enjoyed the intricate play between Cole, Cleverley and Westwood, it created a lot of space....sadly that space was for our wide players in Gabby, N'Zog and Weimann and for less than 90mins. I think adding Delph and Benteke and losing Cole will still allow that play to occur and so most of us are debating the price rather than the player, if we can get him for £5million or less it'd be a fair gamble (you'd probably sell for £3million if he's a flop) but if we're going to use him properly he needs someone wide to pass to and take passes from. He'll improve us if we get the right players around him but if it's a choice between a wide man with potential/reputation or Cleverley we might be more improved with someone wide, players are costly in January so it I don't fancy our chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 It's a stretch to suggest cleverley has improved us to be honest. That has nothing to do with the point being made. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough though. You can't begin to "expect" signings of Sanchez's quality for relative peanuts time and time again, less money than we paid for Sasa Curcic. You're setting the manager up to fail. One day, if he lasts long enough (and we do), he will spend £8m+ on a dud. Don't be fuming about it, that's just the nature of the game. No I get what you mean. However, when we can see what Cleverley offers from previous experience and we're still willing to spend big (for us atm) money on him then it's infuriating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Fair enough. Either way I'm in agreement on Sanchez, there's a proper player in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 It's a stretch to suggest cleverley has improved us to be honest. We won't be fighting relegation this year. Cleverley will have played his part in that, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 It's a stretch to suggest cleverley has improved us to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Holman has nothing to do with the debate at all as he was 2 years ago and for the price quoted I'd much rather have KEA yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Forget the price. Who is the better player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 KEA imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Holman has nothing to do with the debate at all as he was 2 years ago and for the price quoted I'd much rather have KEA yes. not the point, Your issue seems to be about the price quoted. You dont care about the talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 He isn't that good either. Price and talent should be relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezvilla Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 He's better than KEA isn't this fairly obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Well it's an opinion. What has he done in a Villa shirt better than KEA did? KEA was given a hard time by many Villa fans, when he put in some good performances and scored some important goals. Neither KEA or Cleverley would get into our fully fit midfield though. Edited December 24, 2014 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 He's better than KEA isn't this fairly obvious? KEA wasn't always a regular last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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