Zatman Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I think the media needs take a lot of blame for this. They hounded out Sven who was England best manager in last 20 years mainly because of what he did in his private life. He got England to 2 quarter finals of World CUp and England haven't looked close to getting there before or since he left 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I'm sure I read that in all of Sven's time he only lost 3 competitive games (in 90 minutes). 3x Quarter finals, over 65% win rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Foreign managers FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) The difference between the squad of players available to Sven compared to those available to Roy can't be underestimated. English football has dropped off a cliff in recent years. Edited June 26, 2014 by CarewsEyebrowDesigner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 The difference between the squad of players available to Sven compared to those available to Roy can't be underestimated. English football has dropped off a cliff in recent years. Saved me the effort of writing the same. Sven did well, but he had Neville, Ferdinand, Terry, Cole, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, Owen and Rooney in their prime. All world-class players, depending on your definition. Roy, to my mind, doesn't have a single player who you'd call world class at the moment. (I realise there are player duplicates, but Gerrard is a hell of a lot older, and Rooney a hell of a lot crapper). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 100% agree, the squad Sven had should have at least made 1 final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 26, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2014 Euro 2004. That's the last time I think we genuinely could have won a tournament. 2006 yeah we got to the QF but we'd have never gone on to win it, and Portugal were better than us in the QF. But in 2004 they weren't. And had Rooney not got injured I'm sure we'd have gone on to win that match (we should have won it anyway) Then a not so great dutch side in the semis and greece in the final. Obviously I'm not saying it would have been a sure thing, but I think we were capable of winning that. We've not looked capable of winning anything since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Yeah agree with all the above comments. Sven was a good manager and did well with England, but the calibre of players England had back then was very impressive. I still think on paper England had the 3rd best team in 2006 WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 The obvious answer to why England haven't been very good compared to the rest of the world since.. ever.. is because we're far too rich. A few more ghettos, a few more slums, a few more million kids desperate to get out of their life condemned to poverty and we'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Germany Holland, France, Italy, Faroe Islands... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) rather than 18 year old football millionaires? i might not go to the extremes of ghettos and desperation to get out of that life but i would happily argue that there are greater rewards for english footballers that are bang average than any other nationality someone on either ITV or BBC actually had that arguement in the studio, using rooney as the example, saying that he was better at euro 2004 than he is now, no progression, no sense that football is a career that you should keep aiming higher and higher rather than the bumper pay day followed by plateauing, the danger now being that younger players are earning silly money before they get out of their teens, the easy example being luke shaw and his rumoured £100k a week deal, as it stands luke shaw is going to get better, when he's paid £5.2m a year at 19 will he sit there and honestly ask himself "do i need to get better" Edited June 26, 2014 by villa4europe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 rather than 18 year old football millionaires? i might not go to the extremes of ghettos and desperation to get out of that life but i would happily argue that there are greater rewards for english footballers that are bang average than any other nationality someone on either ITV or BBC actually had that arguement in the studio, using rooney as the example, saying that he was better at euro 2004 than he is now, no progression, no sense that football is a career that you should keep aiming higher and higher rather than the bumper pay day followed by plateauing, the danger now being that younger players are earning silly money before they get out of their teens, the easy example being luke shaw and his rumoured £100k a week deal, as it stands luke shaw is going to get better, when he's paid £5.2m a year at 19 will he sit there and honestly ask himself "do i need to get better" Hope he does a Stefan Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 The obvious answer to why England haven't been very good compared to the rest of the world since.. ever.. is because we're far too rich. A few more ghettos, a few more slums, a few more million kids desperate to get out of their life condemned to poverty and we'll be fine. I know this comment was tongue in cheek. But I do believe that is a small element of truth in that. But of course there are many examples that go against that like Germany, Netherlands and now Belgium. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 26, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2014 rather than 18 year old football millionaires? i might not go to the extremes of ghettos and desperation to get out of that life but i would happily argue that there are greater rewards for english footballers that are bang average than any other nationality someone on either ITV or BBC actually had that arguement in the studio, using rooney as the example, saying that he was better at euro 2004 than he is now, no progression, no sense that football is a career that you should keep aiming higher and higher rather than the bumper pay day followed by plateauing, the danger now being that younger players are earning silly money before they get out of their teens, the easy example being luke shaw and his rumoured £100k a week deal, as it stands luke shaw is going to get better, when he's paid £5.2m a year at 19 will he sit there and honestly ask himself "do i need to get better" Yep, this is the problem. Players signing for Man City, on £150k a week. Whilst they may believe themselves that they'll play every week, the reality is most of the time they won't. Even people like James Milner, who you wouldn't think would be the money grabbing type, has surely suffered from just being a bit part player for City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) i don't think its necessarily the bit part player element that's detrimental to their development, its the why do i need to progress from here element that's detrimental even if milner was playing every week would he be there in training every day with a desire to get better? or would he think I'm winning the league, I'm winning cups, I'm playing in the champions league, I'm playing for England, I'm on £120k a week, that's me done... which is the arguement with rooney, he's not peaking at 26-30, has complacency crept in because he had everything by the time he was 21, he's not got better with age Edited June 26, 2014 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) The Fifa press conference has started according to the BBC, due to update on the Suarez situation. Edit. Running late, not started yet. Dental records sent for. Edited June 26, 2014 by Seat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffGreens Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) Nine match ban according to this Uruguayan journalist that the guardian felt sufficiently official enough to plaster onto their minute-by-minute update: Linky! Edit and banned from any footballing activity for 4 months according to a FIFA flunky doing the media breifing. Edited June 26, 2014 by CardiffGreens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) FIFA Media @fifamedia 1m DISCIPLINARY: Uruguay’s Luis Suarez suspended for 9 matches & banned for 4 months from any football-related activity. So I take it that is 9 internationals and no club football until October/November? Edited June 26, 2014 by CarewsEyebrowDesigner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 any football related activity? Does that mean at club level too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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