Isa Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 We aren't a long ball team per se, a la West Ham who don't even try. That's exactly what we've been for a large majority of this season. You've (perhaps unsurprisingly) missed my point. When has a Big Sam team ever tried to play football? As opposed to Lambert sides which have done so in the past. When they played us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 When has a Big Sam team ever tried to play football? So now its changed to big Sam. Wonder why I missed your point. I would imagine stats suggest we play more long ball than west ham this season. Big Sam has also signed players like downing, Cole and Morrison. Nome of whom I would associate with long ball football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postdeath Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Big Sam has been pretty ballsy with how he has set his team up on occasion this season, the 4-6-0 springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 4, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 4, 2014 When has a Big Sam team ever tried to play football?So now its changed to big Sam. Wonder why I missed your point. I would imagine stats suggest we play more long ball than west ham this season. Big Sam has also signed players like downing, Cole and Morrison. Nome of whom I would associate with long ball football.Hoolahan would be a sign he wants a more progressive midfield. We've played rubbish but we don't want to play rubbish. Possibly using the players the only way they can be used. Hoolahan is a step forward in more ways than one. Quality and positionally. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) When has a Big Sam team ever tried to play football? So now its changed to big Sam. Wonder why I missed your point. I would imagine stats suggest we play more long ball than west ham this season. Big Sam has also signed players like downing, Cole and Morrison. Nome of whom I would associate with long ball football. Hoolahan would be a sign he wants a more progressive midfield. We've played rubbish but we don't want to play rubbish. Possibly using the players the only way they can be used. Hoolahan us a step forward in more ways than one. Quality and positionally. Exactamundo. The assertion that 'this is a signing that West Ham would make' was the initial point that I was dismissing anyway, because it's total nonsense. Edited January 4, 2014 by StefanAVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 4, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 4, 2014 I wasn't disagreeing with John though. We have been long ball up to now. I was just saying that long ball isn't our endgame and Wes is a step towards that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) I wasn't disagreeing with John though. We have been long ball up to now. I was just saying that long ball isn't our endgame and Wes is a step towards that. And that's what I meant in my 2nd point when comparing the 2 sides :-) Edited January 4, 2014 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Not sure it is nonsense though with signing Joe Cole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Perhaps I should have made myself more clear. I felt that the statement 'seems like the signing a team like West Ham would make' is nonsense because they don't generally sign small, technical players. I'm not sure 1 signing in that vein can create a generalisation that West Ham typically sign small, creative players. I'd give that stereotype to a Swansea or an Arsenal. We got spectacularly off point and I apologise I wasn't clearer with my OP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Could have used a player like him today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 When has a Big Sam team ever tried to play football?So now its changed to big Sam. Wonder why I missed your point. I would imagine stats suggest we play more long ball than west ham this season. Big Sam has also signed players like downing, Cole and Morrison. Nome of whom I would associate with long ball football.Hoolahan would be a sign he wants a more progressive midfield. We've played rubbish but we don't want to play rubbish. Possibly using the players the only way they can be used. Hoolahan is a step forward in more ways than one. Quality and positionally. Oh agree completely, actually not unhappy with this signing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted January 4, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 4, 2014 Please come and save us Wes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I think this makes a lot of sense on a few levels. - Plugs a hole for the remainder of the season - Adds experience and leadership (Was Norwich captain) - Can be used in rotation (or as backup) to any younger AM we sign in the Summer - Has played the best football of his career under Lambert - Wages won't be too high - Will most likely want to come as he isn't a regular at Norwich Wouldn't be opposed to this one at all. Agree with all of this. Not a long term solution, but a good short term option that plugs a lot of the holes that need filling. Not an exciting signing but would be a solid choice. I'd be in favor of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 When has a Big Sam team ever tried to play football? So now its changed to big Sam. Wonder why I missed your point. I would imagine stats suggest we play more long ball than west ham this season. Big Sam has also signed players like downing, Cole and Morrison. Nome of whom I would associate with long ball football. When has a Big Sam team ever tried to play football? So now its changed to big Sam. Wonder why I missed your point. I would imagine stats suggest we play more long ball than west ham this season. Big Sam has also signed players like downing, Cole and Morrison. Nome of whom I would associate with long ball football. I'm sure we would sign similar players if we gave the wages they do. Bet those mentioned are on more than the first 11 we put out today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I think this makes a lot of sense on a few levels. - Plugs a hole for the remainder of the season - Adds experience and leadership (Was Norwich captain) - Can be used in rotation (or as backup) to any younger AM we sign in the Summer - Has played the best football of his career under Lambert - Wages won't be too high - Will most likely want to come as he isn't a regular at Norwich Wouldn't be opposed to this one at all. Agree with all of this. Not a long term solution, but a good short term option that plugs a lot of the holes that need filling. Not an exciting signing but would be a solid choice. I'd be in favor of it. Oh for something for the short term !!!!!!!! - I am a bit tired of these 5 year projects, transformations, changing the ethos, - Just buy someone who can trap and pass a ball for the next few months. If we start winning games the future will look after itself. This idea that we must be tripe before we can possibly come good is barmy..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I think this makes a lot of sense on a few levels. - Plugs a hole for the remainder of the season - Adds experience and leadership (Was Norwich captain) - Can be used in rotation (or as backup) to any younger AM we sign in the Summer - Has played the best football of his career under Lambert - Wages won't be too high - Will most likely want to come as he isn't a regular at Norwich Wouldn't be opposed to this one at all. Agree with all of this. Not a long term solution, but a good short term option that plugs a lot of the holes that need filling. Not an exciting signing but would be a solid choice. I'd be in favor of it. Oh for something for the short term !!!!!!!! - I am a bit tired of these 5 year projects, transformations, changing the ethos, - Just buy someone who can trap and pass a ball for the next few months. If we start winning games the future will look after itself. This idea that we must be tripe before we can possibly come good is barmy..... I know it's difficult to see the point of a five year project when we're struggling so badly at the moment, but I do think it's important to have a balance of short term and long term solutions in the squad. I think MON's signings (and to an extent McLeish's as well) show the danger of signing nothing but short term fixes - then you have a squad full of aging has-beens on big wages with no sell-on value and no potential to improve. The problem is the pendulum has swung much too far in the other direction and right now we seem to have a squad full of youngsters who have potential but aren't good enough to cut it right now. Balance needs to be redressed. Hoolahan would be a good start. I think all of our midfielders would improve with him alongside, much the same as Clark and Baker improve in defense when Vlaar is playing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Wes Hoolahan the saviour pmsl! Another dire signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postdeath Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 There hasn't been a bid, and Hoolahan missed today's game through injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwayboy Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWAK7lzXXj8 Great video of Wes Hoolahan where you can see all of his involvations in a match. Looks good to me. Edited January 4, 2014 by norwayboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Could have used a player like him today. To be fair I thought our current lot would be capable of cutting through a league one team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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