The_Lions_Roar Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Smithy, after what Lambert did for Norwich, surely you don't believe that we were the first club in for him?Not the first club no but the first one he saw as a step up. He supposedly had talks with Burnley at one point and was linked with West Ham and refused to distance himself from speculation, presumably using it as leverage to get a better deal/more funds from the board. Lambert did great things for us, it was a mutually beneficial arrangement and these things come to an end but one of the things I don;t miss is worrying our manager will be off every time a managerial vacancy comes up! We don;t have to worry about that now of course with good old cautious Chris which is both a blessing and a curse at the same time! Your happy with a manager that wouldn't want to better himself? Its like saying I don't want the club to do well in case the manager then leaves. Norwich are being pathetic in this if as stated they will sell but not to villa, its petty playground stuff and rather embarrassing. I'm happy to have a manager who I think has genuine integrity, wants to build up all areas of the club and won't jump ship at the first sniff of a slightly bigger club coming along yes. In that respect Hughton has always been a good fit for us, particularly when a spell of stability was needed after Lambert. its just a shame his tactics and mentality are so conservative and boring that on occasions I can't bear to watch us play hence would quite like him to be sacked now. A spell of stability? Lambert was with you for 3 years, that's longer than the average manager. Its not like he moved on after 1 season. I just think the board Are being pathetic and ungreatful for what lambert did there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy07 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Smithy, after what Lambert did for Norwich, surely you don't believe that we were the first club in for him? Not the first club no but the first one he saw as a step up. He supposedly had talks with Burnley at one point and was linked with West Ham and refused to distance himself from speculation, presumably using it as leverage to get a better deal/more funds from the board. Lambert did great things for us, it was a mutually beneficial arrangement and these things come to an end but one of the things I don;t miss is worrying our manager will be off every time a managerial vacancy comes up! We don;t have to worry about that now of course with good old cautious Chris which is both a blessing and a curse at the same time! Your happy with a manager that wouldn't want to better himself? Its like saying I don't want the club to do well in case the manager then leaves. Norwich are being pathetic in this if as stated they will sell but not to villa, its petty playground stuff and rather embarrassing. I'm happy to have a manager who I think has genuine integrity, wants to build up all areas of the club and won't jump ship at the first sniff of a slightly bigger club coming along yes. In that respect Hughton has always been a good fit for us, particularly when a spell of stability was needed after Lambert. its just a shame his tactics and mentality are so conservative and boring that on occasions I can't bear to watch us play hence would quite like him to be sacked now. A spell of stability? Lambert was with you for 3 years, that's longer than the average manager. Its not like he moved on after 1 season. I just think the board Are being pathetic and ungreatful for what lambert did there. So whats your point - we should let Lambert sign Wes on the cheap as a sign of thanks for all his hard work? Bottom line is that your offer is pathetic. Nothing more needs to be said on the subject really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 24, 2014 Smithy - Out of curiosity what would you see as an acceptable bid for Wes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I wonder whether a manager has geuninely found a player from Football Manager? Probably would never admit it if they had. Everton paid Sports Interactive to get their data earlier than anyone else, so I'm sure it's contributed. It's not a bad idea to be honest. I don't think any player should ever be signed PURELY on football manager. But if it's a case of "There's some 16 year old in Uruguay who's rated ridiculously highly, go and watch him for a month and see how he plays" then it's not totally ridiculous. By why would the guys at Football Manager know about that kid and people working in football didn't? I would be surprised if FM has a vast global scouting network which is better equipped than the professional clubs. It would be far easier to just randomise the top prospects than actually try and discover and predict them for real. Well the FM stats are maintained by volunteers, quite often fans of the respective clubs (thousands of volunteers, by the way, if I'm not mistaken). Like Andy Clarke here on VT. A lot of them are fanatical about the stats. I'm not saying they're a better judge of player, but it is conceivable that someone like Andy at a club based in Uruguay (to continue my example) would have seen a prospect before Everton's head scout? I'd say so. I doubt any club's scouting network is aware of every player at every club in the world. Like I said, I'm not saying it should be the judge of a player. But a little flag to say "apparently this kid is a real prospect, and he's one we've never looked at" is quite clever, I think. Edited January 24, 2014 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Smithy - Out of curiosity what would you see as an acceptable bid for Wes? Better yet, how do you even know how much we have bid, if indeed we have bid? There have been conflicting stories regarding an apparent bid, in which case none of really know for sure. Edited January 24, 2014 by samjp26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I wonder whether a manager has geuninely found a player from Football Manager? Probably would never admit it if they had. Everton paid Sports Interactive to get their data earlier than anyone else, so I'm sure it's contributed. It's not a bad idea to be honest. I don't think any player should ever be signed PURELY on football manager. But if it's a case of "There's some 16 year old in Uruguay who's rated ridiculously highly, go and watch him for a month and see how he plays" then it's not totally ridiculous. By why would the guys at Football Manager know about that kid and people working in football didn't? I would be surprised if FM has a vast global scouting network which is better equipped than the professional clubs. It would be far easier to just randomise the top prospects than actually try and discover and predict them for real. Well the FM stats are maintained by volunteers, quite often fans of the respective clubs (thousands of volunteers, by the way, if I'm not mistaken). Like Andy Clarke here on VT. A lot of them are fanatical about the stats. I'm not saying they're a better judge of player, but it is conceivable that someone like Andy at a club based in Uruguay (to continue my example) would have seen a prospect before Everton's head scout? I'd say so. I doubt any club's scouting network is aware of every player at every club in the world. Like I said, I'm not saying it should be the judge of a player. But a little flag to say "apparently this kid is a real prospect, and he's one we've never looked at" is quite clever, I think. Quite a few clubs use football manager to identify potential targets too I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 threadI know right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Slightly bigger. That's pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 24, 2014 I wonder whether a manager has geuninely found a player from Football Manager? Probably would never admit it if they had. Everton paid Sports Interactive to get their data earlier than anyone else, so I'm sure it's contributed. It's not a bad idea to be honest. I don't think any player should ever be signed PURELY on football manager. But if it's a case of "There's some 16 year old in Uruguay who's rated ridiculously highly, go and watch him for a month and see how he plays" then it's not totally ridiculous. By why would the guys at Football Manager know about that kid and people working in football didn't? I would be surprised if FM has a vast global scouting network which is better equipped than the professional clubs. It would be far easier to just randomise the top prospects than actually try and discover and predict them for real. Well the FM stats are maintained by volunteers, quite often fans of the respective clubs (thousands of volunteers, by the way, if I'm not mistaken). Like Andy Clarke here on VT. A lot of them are fanatical about the stats. I'm not saying they're a better judge of player, but it is conceivable that someone like Andy at a club based in Uruguay (to continue my example) would have seen a prospect before Everton's head scout? I'd say so. I doubt any club's scouting network is aware of every player at every club in the world. Like I said, I'm not saying it should be the judge of a player. But a little flag to say "apparently this kid is a real prospect, and he's one we've never looked at" is quite clever, I think. Quite a few clubs use football manager to identify potential targets too I believe Doesn't surprise me. Even if it is maintained by volunteers, it must still be the most extensive and accurate database of football talent available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Dont moan if you can't come up with a viable other option. You are just whinging. That's a pretty stupid argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powell91 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 i wouldnt really want us to part with anymore than £1.5m with a potential for it to rise to £2m dependant on appearances assists goals etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 One or two of the inbreds on the Norwich forum are really laying into us. They're more deluded than the Sandwell Town idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Offer them Tonev & Hutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Seems Swansea have bid for Pilkington so if he goes even less chance of this deal happening. Personally seems to me with made offer ,Norwich didn't want to know and we have moved on.Wes himself is trying to force the issue but I don't think it is going to get him anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Smithy, after what Lambert did for Norwich, surely you don't believe that we were the first club in for him?Not the first club no but the first one he saw as a step up. He supposedly had talks with Burnley at one point and was linked with West Ham and refused to distance himself from speculation, presumably using it as leverage to get a better deal/more funds from the board. Lambert did great things for us, it was a mutually beneficial arrangement and these things come to an end but one of the things I don;t miss is worrying our manager will be off every time a managerial vacancy comes up! We don;t have to worry about that now of course with good old cautious Chris which is both a blessing and a curse at the same time!Your happy with a manager that wouldn't want to better himself? Its like saying I don't want the club to do well in case the manager then leaves. Norwich are being pathetic in this if as stated they will sell but not to villa, its petty playground stuff and rather embarrassing.I'm happy to have a manager who I think has genuine integrity, wants to build up all areas of the club and won't jump ship at the first sniff of a slightly bigger club coming along yes. In that respect Hughton has always been a good fit for us, particularly when a spell of stability was needed after Lambert. its just a shame his tactics and mentality are so conservative and boring that on occasions I can't bear to watch us play hence would quite like him to be sacked now. A spell of stability? Lambert was with you for 3 years, that's longer than the average manager. Its not like he moved on after 1 season. I just think the board Are being pathetic and ungreatful for what lambert did there. So whats your point - we should let Lambert sign Wes on the cheap as a sign of thanks for all his hard work? Bottom line is that your offer is pathetic. Nothing more needs to be said on the subject really. There's not even any confirmation of a bid and how much so you can't complain on that. I never said that he should be sold as a thanks for the hard work, I said it's pathetic that you wouldn't sell to us because your board are bitter that lambert left, 18 months ago! Your itk said that they'd consider selling him to anyone but villa. And as I type Swansea have bid for pilkington, interesting to see how you react as he's first team player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 £3m is apparently the amount that Swansea have bid, should make things interesting regarding Hoolahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Smithy, after what Lambert did for Norwich, surely you don't believe that we were the first club in for him? Not the first club no but the first one he saw as a step up. He supposedly had talks with Burnley at one point and was linked with West Ham and refused to distance himself from speculation, presumably using it as leverage to get a better deal/more funds from the board. Lambert did great things for us, it was a mutually beneficial arrangement and these things come to an end but one of the things I don;t miss is worrying our manager will be off every time a managerial vacancy comes up! We don;t have to worry about that now of course with good old cautious Chris which is both a blessing and a curse at the same time! Your happy with a manager that wouldn't want to better himself? Its like saying I don't want the club to do well in case the manager then leaves. Norwich are being pathetic in this if as stated they will sell but not to villa, its petty playground stuff and rather embarrassing. I'm happy to have a manager who I think has genuine integrity, wants to build up all areas of the club and won't jump ship at the first sniff of a slightly bigger club coming along yes. In that respect Hughton has always been a good fit for us, particularly when a spell of stability was needed after Lambert. its just a shame his tactics and mentality are so conservative and boring that on occasions I can't bear to watch us play hence would quite like him to be sacked now. A spell of stability? Lambert was with you for 3 years, that's longer than the average manager. Its not like he moved on after 1 season. I just think the board Are being pathetic and ungreatful for what lambert did there. So whats your point - we should let Lambert sign Wes on the cheap as a sign of thanks for all his hard work? Bottom line is that your offer is pathetic. Nothing more needs to be said on the subject really. There's not even any confirmation of a bid and how much so you can't complain on that. I never said that he should be sold as a thanks for the hard work, I said it's pathetic that you wouldn't sell to us because your board are bitter that lambert left, 18 months ago! Your itk said that they'd consider selling him to anyone but villa. And as I type Swansea have bid for pilkington, interesting to see how you react as he's first team player. You also don't know for sure that Norwich would sell to another club for the amount we have offered do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted January 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 24, 2014 £3m is apparently the amount that Swansea have bid, should make things interesting regarding Hoolahan. Daddies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 If we were to match any accepted bid only to have the offer rejected on the grounds Norwich don't like us we/Hoolahan would have grounds to take them to court. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 3m is a stretch for pilkington and hoolahan imo, think we should just move on the desperate pursuit of a pretty average player is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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