villa-revolution Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Ruiz to PSV has been confirmed..... Was it by the Catholic church? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I agree. Why doesn't everyone just either put either "I'm furious about everything"/ "I'm waiting to see what happens before making a judgement" / "I'm happy with the way things are going" in their signature and then only comment when they've got something new to contribute to the discussion? The signal to noise ratio in the forum is pretty bad at the moment. Cautiously optimistic about this window. But will remain cautiously optimistic about the future regardless of what happens in this window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 So halfway through the window and so far we have one 30 something , overweight , Wigan reject. You couldn't make it up. No you sure couldn't but we have similar responses each window so I would have thought by now I should have expected it. It still surprises me that it surprises me You surprise me Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 So we don't have a pot to piss in but we do have a wall to piss up. Is this a good thing? Yes if your pissing in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Why do I keep reading "12 wins in 50" when even the most basic of research (I timed myself at 49 seconds) tells you it's 16 in 59 in the league? You couldn't make it up... Except you do. Edited January 15, 2014 by dont_do_it_doug. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VillaCas Posted January 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Which is exactly my point. After signing 16 players and spending 40 plus million we are no better off than under previous managers. Sigh. I've been over all of this before but... ...we've reduced our outgoings significantly which has quite obviously held the club back (weren't we spending something crazy like 90% of our revenue on wages alone?). A lot of this has revolved around getting rid of players that were initially signed up on silly contracts (entirely the club/Lerner's fault). As these have been shipped out, we've needed to replace them with cheaper options on nowhere near as high wages to get the basis of a squad (which is what you bemoaned) in place. Due to the age of most of these players, most would have some sort of resale value further down the line if we needed to sell. This is essentially an added bonus as we're currently losing older players for nothing. Once this squad is in place, as it pretty much is now, we should be looking to add quality players into it. All of this can't be done within 18 months and, naturally, replacing an entire team or even a managerial set up (Man Utd, Tottenham, Watford, Wigan) will likely mean a decline in performances and quality until this comes to fruition. If you think you're getting a quality squad and first team by spending £40m on 16 players you're on a drug that I'd love to get hold of. Welcome to the forum Bobzy - nice to see a little sense posted for a change. The warped argument that is most rolled out is "Lambert has spent £40m but not improved the squad" Now if you were to spend £40m adding to an established squad you would expect the outcome to be a pretty competitive unit however when you are completely replacing a squad £40m is small change. Lambert has spent £40m on 16 players and at the same time we have shipped out 18 players that cost us £80m - in effect a net spend of minus £40m All that being said, given the financial restrictions, I still think that we have done some good business Goalkeepers - We have replaced Given and Marshall with Guzan and Steer at zero cost and on probably half the wages Defence - Lowton, Vlaar, Okore, Luna for 11m or Hutton, Collins, Dunne, Warnock for 20m - no contest for me and at less than half the wages Midfield - Makoun, Ireland, Bannon, Holman at 14m or Westwood, Bacuna, KEA, Sylla at half that and half the wages - no contest Forwards - Benteke 7m or Bent 24m? Heskey or Kozak? Even though not setting the world on fire, Bennett for Stevens and Helenius for Fonz are still improvements. Bowery might not make it but cost peanuts. Only Tonev has been a failure so far. In the next few windows, I'm sure we will work to up the quality of the first XI, buying two or three quality players each season and integrating academy prospects as they become ready, whilst moving on those that don't make it Even if we only bring in say Hoolahan and Naughton in this window, I still see it as a step in the right direction Sadly, given the situation we find ourselves in there are no quick fixes - Lambert has my 100% support to sort this out. Edited January 15, 2014 by VillaCas 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwpzxjor1 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Just got a text that Helenius going on loan to AaB? Can't see anything about it on Newsnow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Which is exactly my point. After signing 16 players and spending 40 plus million we are no better off than under previous managers. Sigh. I've been over all of this before but... ...we've reduced our outgoings significantly which has quite obviously held the club back (weren't we spending something crazy like 90% of our revenue on wages alone?). A lot of this has revolved around getting rid of players that were initially signed up on silly contracts (entirely the club/Lerner's fault). As these have been shipped out, we've needed to replace them with cheaper options on nowhere near as high wages to get the basis of a squad (which is what you bemoaned) in place. Due to the age of most of these players, most would have some sort of resale value further down the line if we needed to sell. This is essentially an added bonus as we're currently losing older players for nothing. Once this squad is in place, as it pretty much is now, we should be looking to add quality players into it. All of this can't be done within 18 months and, naturally, replacing an entire team or even a managerial set up (Man Utd, Tottenham, Watford, Wigan) will likely mean a decline in performances and quality until this comes to fruition. If you think you're getting a quality squad and first team by spending £40m on 16 players you're on a drug that I'd love to get hold of. Welcome to the forum Bobzy - nice to see a little sense posted for a change. The warped argument that is most rolled out is "Lambert has spent £40m but not improved the squad" Now if you were to spend £40m adding to an established squad you would expect the outcome to be a pretty competitive unit however when you are completely replacing a squad £40m is small change. Lambert has spent £40m on 16 players and at the same time we have shipped out 18 players that cost us £80m - in effect a net spend of minus £40m All that being said, given the financial restrictions, I still think that we have done some good business Goalkeepers - We have replaced Given and Marshall with Guzan and Steer at zero cost and on probably half the wages Defence - Lowton, Vlaar, Okore, Luna for 11m or Hutton, Collins, Dunne, Warnock for 20m - no contest for me and at less than half the wages Midfield - Makoun, Ireland, Bannon, Holman at 14m or Westwood, Bacuna, KEA, Sylla at half that and half the wages - no contest Forwards - Benteke 7m or Bent 24m? Heskey or Kozak? Even though not setting the world on fire, Bennett for Stevens and Helenius for Fonz are still improvements. Bowery might not make it but cost peanuts. Only Tonev has been a failure so far. In the next few windows, I'm sure we will work to up the quality of the first XI, buying two or three quality players each season and integrating academy prospects as they become ready, whilst moving on those that don't make it Even if we only bring in say Hoolahan and Naughton in this window, I still see it as a step in the right direction Sadly, given the situation we find ourselves in there are no quick fixes - Lambert has my 100% to sort this out. Agree with every point you make VillaCas. Edited January 15, 2014 by Robbie09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Just got a text that Helenius going on loan to AaB? Can't see anything about it on Newsnow. I have heard the same. I have a feeling he is never going to have a Villa career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Allan Gaarde, the sports director at AaB, says that they would like to get him on loan because he's not getting much playing time at Villa and we've also just signed Holt but he says it's very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanBalaban Posted January 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2014 No news just bickering? Yes? Ok then, see you all tomorrow. Always reminds me of the Robbie Keane version 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Which is exactly my point. After signing 16 players and spending 40 plus million we are no better off than under previous managers. Sigh. I've been over all of this before but... ...we've reduced our outgoings significantly which has quite obviously held the club back (weren't we spending something crazy like 90% of our revenue on wages alone?). A lot of this has revolved around getting rid of players that were initially signed up on silly contracts (entirely the club/Lerner's fault). As these have been shipped out, we've needed to replace them with cheaper options on nowhere near as high wages to get the basis of a squad (which is what you bemoaned) in place. Due to the age of most of these players, most would have some sort of resale value further down the line if we needed to sell. This is essentially an added bonus as we're currently losing older players for nothing. Once this squad is in place, as it pretty much is now, we should be looking to add quality players into it. All of this can't be done within 18 months and, naturally, replacing an entire team or even a managerial set up (Man Utd, Tottenham, Watford, Wigan) will likely mean a decline in performances and quality until this comes to fruition. If you think you're getting a quality squad and first team by spending £40m on 16 players you're on a drug that I'd love to get hold of. Welcome to the forum Bobzy - nice to see a little sense posted for a change. The warped argument that is most rolled out is "Lambert has spent £40m but not improved the squad" Now if you were to spend £40m adding to an established squad you would expect the outcome to be a pretty competitive unit however when you are completely replacing a squad £40m is small change. Lambert has spent £40m on 16 players and at the same time we have shipped out 18 players that cost us £80m - in effect a net spend of minus £40m All that being said, given the financial restrictions, I still think that we have done some good business Goalkeepers - We have replaced Given and Marshall with Guzan and Steer at zero cost and on probably half the wages Defence - Lowton, Vlaar, Okore, Luna for 11m or Hutton, Collins, Dunne, Warnock for 20m - no contest for me and at less than half the wages Midfield - Makoun, Ireland, Bannon, Holman at 14m or Westwood, Bacuna, KEA, Sylla at half that and half the wages - no contest Forwards - Benteke 7m or Bent 24m? Heskey or Kozak? Even though not setting the world on fire, Bennett for Stevens and Helenius for Fonz are still improvements. Bowery might not make it but cost peanuts. Only Tonev has been a failure so far. In the next few windows, I'm sure we will work to up the quality of the first XI, buying two or three quality players each season and integrating academy prospects as they become ready, whilst moving on those that don't make it Even if we only bring in say Hoolahan and Naughton in this window, I still see it as a step in the right direction Sadly, given the situation we find ourselves in there are no quick fixes - Lambert has my 100% to sort this out. Well said sah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Well if Bowery and Helenius go out then maybe the Klose link makes sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spoony Posted January 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2014 Well if Bowery and Helenius go out then maybe the Klose link makes sense? Bowery isn't going anywhere. He'll be here forever and eventually buy us from Lerner. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kwan Posted January 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2014 He'll really be strutting around like he owns the place then 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 He'll really be strutting around like he owns the place then 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Hughton just said again Wes won't be sold in Jan as they are short of players.................... obviously if they buy some players that could change but this one will go down to the final day if Lambert can be arsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Hughton just said again Wes won't be sold in Jan as they are short of players.................... obviously if they buy some players that could change but this one will go down to the final day if Lambert can be arsed. Phew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Time to move on Paul. We can't rely on a potential relegation rival strengthening us going into the last 2 weeks of the transfer window. I wouldn't sell to us either if I was Houghton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Hughton just said again Wes won't be sold in Jan as they are short of players.................... obviously if they buy some players that could change but this one will go down to the final day if Lambert can be arsed. Phew! Ridiculous reaction - Nothing to be pleased about....With our finances we won't be getting anyone better - Hoolahan would have been ideal for us. We won't be getting anyone better for £1m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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