PussEKatt Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 34 caps for England? Holy shit Not caps for England:Caps that he bought in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 15, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 15, 2013 I do think there's a certain amount of cognitive dissonance here. Do people actually forget how brilliant he was for us the season Liverpool saw fit to spend £20m on him? We were more gutted to lose Downing than we were to lose Young. Some of that may have been the differing circumstances but a lot of it was genuinely to do with the contribution he made that season for us and the player we were losing. Downing is not an average footballer. For whatever reason it didn't work out in the not-exactly-ideal situation at Liverpool and he began to show glimpses towards the end of the season. I hope he has a similar career at WHU as he had at Anfield but if I had to guess, based on what he did beforehand and what he did at the end for Liverpool, I suspect he might be a lot better under Big Huge Fat Sam. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I dont think he was that good. he was best of a bad bunch in which we struggled all season. on radio other day they were saying Downing is a poor winger and his best season at Villa was on right of 3 man attack cutting in and dont think Sam will play that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted August 15, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 15, 2013 34 caps because we've never been blessed with great talent on the left wing, basically.That's enough bollitics for the Other Football forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I dont think he was that good. he was best of a bad bunch in which we struggled all season. on radio other day they were saying Downing is a poor winger and his best season at Villa was on right of 3 man attack cutting in and dont think Sam will play that way There was an interview with Alardyce saying he was going to play him in the role he had here rather than the way Liverpool were using him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 15, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 15, 2013 I do think there's a certain amount of cognitive dissonance here. Do people actually forget how brilliant he was for us the season Liverpool saw fit to spend £20m on him? We were more gutted to lose Downing than we were to lose Young. Some of that may have been the differing circumstances but a lot of it was genuinely to do with the contribution he made that season for us and the player we were losing. Downing is not an average footballer. For whatever reason it didn't work out in the not-exactly-ideal situation at Liverpool and he began to show glimpses towards the end of the season. I hope he has a similar career at WHU as he had at Anfield but if I had to guess, based on what he did beforehand and what he did at the end for Liverpool, I suspect he might be a lot better under Big Huge Fat Sam. Yeah this. At Boro too he was pretty handy. I certainly remember him tearing us a new one playing in CM for boro. Would not be surprised at all to see him have a decent season this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) I personally was more disappointed to see Young leave then Downing in that summer of 2011. Even though Young in his last 2 seasons spent lots of time diving around. Downing's performances were slightly above average in 2010/2011. The best of a bad bunch. Villa's form for most of that season was shite, and it was only that impressive run in the last 5 games that made the league position respectable. Young's performances from 2007-2009 were extremely good, and in some months best in the league. To me Young was a bigger loss then Downing, but Milner was a bigger loss then both. Edited August 15, 2013 by Voinjama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Downing's performances were slightly above average in 2010/2011. No. Just no. There is so much wrong in that claim that light bends around it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Oh sorry Downing was absolutely world class in 2010/2011. As good as Mcgrath 92/93, Yorke 95/96 and Young 2008. Better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I hope he fails so hard that he's loaned out to Scunthorpe in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 16, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 16, 2013 Oh sorry Downing was absolutely world class in 2010/2011. As good as Mcgrath 92/93, Yorke 95/96 and Young 2008. Better? About halfway between that and your previous statement 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted August 16, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 16, 2013 Downing did have a fantastic season at Villa. He was brilliant to watch. Think he will do really well at West Ham. 5m is a bargain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Apart from Gerrard, he was the 2nd highest fantasy scorer for Liverpool last season. So he wasn't as bad as our blinkers might make out. Granted the likes of Coutinho with a full season would've caught him no problem, but I think at £5m he's great value for the Hammers. We know what he's capable of and on his day he's a £20m player so if the Shammers can get a fraction of what he can do then they'll have a good player on their hands. He's not a £20m player on his day, we knew that when we sold him. His max value is what we paid for him around £12m. I think west ham have got a good deal here, £5m for a player isn't not really a big risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 8pints Posted August 16, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2013 To be fair, once this picture had been released the writing was on the wall for the pair of them 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 17, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 17, 2013 Allardyce buys player who shits out of every tackleThe Earth's axis has just turned 180 degrees 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lp_villa830 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Good move for him this, can see him getting back into England contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Good move for him this, can can't see him getting back into England contention. Fixed, only player from West Ham who's getting on national team is Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lp_villa830 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Don't agree with that, England lack any wingers in form at the minute. If Downing can give Carroll a steady supply of crosses to score of off then why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Don't agree with that, England lack any wingers in form at the minute. If Downing can give Carroll a steady supply of crosses to score of off then why not? Because he doesn't play for the Big Six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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