Chop chop! Lets all gawp at Newcastle (again)

[djamfisher]

 

Cisse's a hypocritical tosspot, just visint a casino is bad enough, and blows his stance on Wonga out of the water. I'd have respect for him if he opposed Wonga on moral grounds, but to use religion and the ngo to a casino shows him up for what he is.

 

But further shows people only use religion when it suits them.

 

tHe sooner religion is gone from this world the better.

 

Yes because its religion's fault that Cisse is a hypocrite, right?

 

Statements like "the sooner religion is gone from this world the better" come off as quite oppressive.

 

 

Where did I say that? I said people use religion when it suits them, not that it's religion's fault. Please read thecomment.

 

Not really, I just beleive the world would be better without it (my opinion, I am llowed onearen't I?). All it seems to do is oppress people, like creating sexism, homphobia etc.. No women bishops, women have to wear certai nclothes, gays aren't equal etc.

 

Also all the stats show religion is slowly dying out. Atheism in this country is at around 25/30% and rising dramtically. And I just bleieve there will be a lot less divisions in society when religion has finally gone.

Anyway that's off topice. Yes i know i made the first comment.

Edited July 24, 2013 by djamfisher

[mjmooney]

Religion thread still available in Off-Topic. Newcomers welcome. 

[Keyblade]

The religious aspect that seems to creeping into the game more and is almost quietly changing certain traditions to the game.  Needs to be nipped in the bud sooner rather than later. 

 

Damn, you should work for the football version of Fox News.

[Mantis]

 

Where did I say that? I said people use religion when it suits them, not that it's religion's fault. Please read thecomment.

 

Not really, I just beleive the world would be better without it. All it seems to do is oppress people, like creating sexism, homphobia etc.. No women bishops, women have to wear certai nclothes, gays aren't equal etc.

 

Also all the stats show religion is slowly dying out. Atheism in this country is at around 25/30% and rising dramtically. And I just bleieve there will be a lot less divisions in society when religion has finally gone.

 

Anyway that's off topice. Yes i know i made the first comment.

 

You certainly implied that it was religion's fault that Cisse is a hypocrite,

 

No, religion doesn't "create" those things, people do. People oppress other people. The sooner people stop scapegoating things for humanity's flaws the better.

 

Cisse was the one who used religion to suit himself, as many others do.

And that is Cisse's fault.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Mantis

[djamfisher]

Yeah but religion gives them the excuse, and society in general seems to stand by and watch when someone suddenly brings up that it's "theirbeliefs". And that's why I believe the world will be better when it's gone.

 

Like no women bishops; that would not be tolerated in any other walk of life.

 

When did dodgyknees say it wasn't Cisse's fault?

[pablo82]

 

The religious aspect that seems to creeping into the game more and is almost quietly changing certain traditions to the game.  Needs to be nipped in the bud sooner rather than later. 

 

 

Like what?

 

Well the MOTM champaigne is now apparently alcohol free so not to offend 'certain religions' and also now sponsors can be conflicting with 'certain religions'. 

[Mantis]

Yeah but religion gives them the excuse, and society in general seems to stand by and watch when someone suddenly brings up that it's "theirbeliefs". And that's why I believe the world will be better when it's gone.

 

Like no women bishops; that would not be tolerated in any other walk of life.

 

When did dodgyknees say it wasn't Cisse's fault?

So you blame the excuse instead of the person? Anyway, a lot of people had said they would support Cisse not wearing Wonga shirts if it were for "moral" reasons. Why is one "excuse" ok but another isn't? The issue here is not Cisse's reasons for not wearing a Wonga shirt but the fact that he's being hypocritical about it (going gambling and wearing a shirt with Virgin Money on it).

[Voinjama]

 

 

The religious aspect that seems to creeping into the game more and is almost quietly changing certain traditions to the game.  Needs to be nipped in the bud sooner rather than later. 

 

 

Like what?

 

Well the MOTM champaigne is now apparently alcohol free so not to offend 'certain religions' and also now sponsors can be conflicting with 'certain religions'. 

 

 

 

I wasn't aware of that. Is that all? I certainly wouldn't say it's creeping into the game, but even if it did, I wouldn't be that bothered to be honest.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Voinjama

[djamfisher]

 

Yeah but religion gives them the excuse, and society in general seems to stand by and watch when someone suddenly brings up that it's "theirbeliefs". And that's why I believe the world will be better when it's gone.

 

Like no women bishops; that would not be tolerated in any other walk of life.

 

When did dodgyknees say it wasn't Cisse's fault?

So you blame the excuse instead of the person? Anyway, a lot of people had said they would support Cisse not wearing Wonga shirts if it were for "moral" reasons. Why is one "excuse" ok but another isn't? The issue here is not Cisse's reasons for not wearing a Wonga shirt but the fact that he's being hypocritical about it (going gambling and wearing a shirt with Virgin Money on it).

 

 

No I blame people, but society enables people to use religion, and like I said, once hat has gone I BELIEVE the world be more peaceful, it will also show up those hypocrites, homos, etc up, and give the m no place to hide thus meaning they canbe educated, dealt with whatever more easily.

 

Moral grounds is your own principles, and stance on a particulat thing,, and in theory those never change no matter what (whether they suit your circumstance or not), whereas people only use religion when it suits. Seems like Cisse has no morals, and is just chatting sh** so whether moral or religion he's just taking the p***.  Where did I say religiious grounds wouldn't be a suitable excuse? It would be if the people saying it weren't hypocrites.

 

Who said the issue wasn't about Cisse being hypocritical?

Edited July 24, 2013 by djamfisher

[Mantis]

 

 

Yeah but religion gives them the excuse, and society in general seems to stand by and watch when someone suddenly brings up that it's "theirbeliefs". And that's why I believe the world will be better when it's gone.

 

Like no women bishops; that would not be tolerated in any other walk of life.

 

When did dodgyknees say it wasn't Cisse's fault?

So you blame the excuse instead of the person? Anyway, a lot of people had said they would support Cisse not wearing Wonga shirts if it were for "moral" reasons. Why is one "excuse" ok but another isn't? The issue here is not Cisse's reasons for not wearing a Wonga shirt but the fact that he's being hypocritical about it (going gambling and wearing a shirt with Virgin Money on it).

 

 

No I blame people, but society enables people to use religion, and like I said, once hat has gone I BELIEVE the world be more peaceful, it will also show up those hypocrites, homos, etc up, and give the m no place to hide thus meaning they canbe educated, dealt with whatever more easily.

 

Moral grounds is your principles, and in theory those never change no matter what (whether they suit your circumstance or not), whereas people only use religion when it suits. Seems like Cisse has no morals, and is just chatting sh** so whether moral or religion he's just taking the p***. 

 

Who said the issue wasn't about Cisse being hypocritical?

 

That's society's fault then.

 

Yes but not every religious person is hypocritical, just like not every non-religious person can do no wrong. Cisse clearly is a hypocrite, but that's his own fault and not the religion he tries to hide behind.

 

By the way, I agree with Newcastle's stance over this. He should wear the shirt regardless of his reason, as I'm pretty sure that it's in his contract. I may be religious but I don't believe it should come before contracts. He shouldn't have signed a contract with Newcastle if he wasn't prepared to wear the shirt.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Mantis

[djamfisher]

I know that, but the person can't use religious grounds, when he is being a hypocritical toe-rag.

 

I agree with the contract thing. Maybe he should sack his agent, or learn to read better. :-)

[Mantis]

I know that, but the person can't use religious grounds, when he is being a hypocritical toe-rag.

 

I agree with the contract thing. Maybe he should sack his agent, or learn to read better. :-)

I agree, he shouldn't be able to use religious grounds given his hypocrisy, and clearly most people don't have much sympathy for his position either given his hypocrisy.

[coda]

This thread is beginning to resemble that awful programme Nicky Campbell presents on Sunday morning.

 

We need a Joe Kinnear interview to get us back on track.

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

Cisse's (alleged) hypocrisy should piss people off because he used his religion to protest against a shirt sponsor (fair enough, I guess, although anyone with integrity should be uncomfortable about payday loan companies) but then went on to do something forbidden by said religion.

 

It's bollocks and he should be made to answer for it.

 

He's either religious or he's not. You can't pick and choose - people who do that are mindless cowards who lack the courage of their own conviction.

Edited July 24, 2013 by CarewsEyebrowDesigner

[Woodytom]

Is it just me or are payday loans not the same as betting?

 

In fact scrap that - a quick read up on islam and I quickly learn both go against the religion.

 

Meh, Who gives a ****?

Edited July 24, 2013 by Woodytom

[Dodgyknees]

 

 

Where did I say that? I said people use religion when it suits them, not that it's religion's fault. Please read thecomment.

 

Not really, I just beleive the world would be better without it. All it seems to do is oppress people, like creating sexism, homphobia etc.. No women bishops, women have to wear certai nclothes, gays aren't equal etc.

 

Also all the stats show religion is slowly dying out. Atheism in this country is at around 25/30% and rising dramtically. And I just bleieve there will be a lot less divisions in society when religion has finally gone.

 

Anyway that's off topice. Yes i know i made the first comment.

 

You certainly implied that it was religion's fault that Cisse is a hypocrite,

 

No, religion doesn't "create" those things, people do. People oppress other people. The sooner people stop scapegoating things for humanity's flaws the better.

 

Cisse was the one who used religion to suit himself, as many others do.

And that is Cisse's fault.

 

 

He was the one who cited Religion as the reason not to play in the shirt and then gambled at a casino, nobody else.

[VillaChris]

How do people think they'll get on this season then?

 

Obviously the circus of Kinnear coming back will destablish them and I don't see Pardew lasting the season really, could be a good bet to go first if they have a poor start.

 

As far as I'm aware they haven't signed anyone either?

 

That said they still have some excellent players in their ranks, I'd be happy to call upon Tiote, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Cisse, Debauchy, Krul in our squad currently even if pretty much all of them had disappointing seasons last year.

 

So I reckon a poor start, Pardew sacked and a new manager will lift them to midtable by the end of the season.

[LondonLax]

If Pardew goes then it will be Kinnar who will step in. 

[leviramsey]

The religious aspect that seems to creeping into the game more and is almost quietly changing certain traditions to the game.  Needs to be nipped in the bud sooner rather than later.

Were not Aston Villa founded with a church affiliation?

It'd be pretty hard for football to get more of a religious aspect than that.

[The_Rev]

 

 

The religious aspect that seems to creeping into the game more and is almost quietly changing certain traditions to the game.  Needs to be nipped in the bud sooner rather than later. 

 

 

Like what?

 

Well the MOTM champaigne is now apparently alcohol free so not to offend 'certain religions' and also now sponsors can be conflicting with 'certain religions'. 

 

 

 

So? 

 

The champagne was a shitty tradition anyway, and there are examples of players getting other prizes for MotM for various reasons.  Michael Owen won a mountain bike once because he was too young to drink!