Zatman Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 8 hours ago, WallisFrizz said: The problem is, I’m not sure that in a transfer window when Havertz was sold for 68 mil that selling ASM for approx 30 mil is that outrageous. It’s not like the Saudis are only buying from Newcastle. There’s all kinds of dodginess going on but I don’t think this is the deal that proves it. We paid 38 million for Buendia a Championship player at the time then City paid 40 million for a donkey in Phillips. Is absolutely nothing to say Newcastle are wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 The main difference between this Newcastle example and all those other examples cited (Udinese, Red Bull etc) is that in those other examples the clubs buying players were themselves subject to FFP so could not afford to overpay. With Saudi teams buying Newcastle’s castoffs there is theoretically no limit to the fee agreed. Having said that, the Saint Maximin transfer seems a reasonably fair price 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Al-whoever want ASM 'to better their team' as well, they're not going to pay him to drive the team bus. The entire narrative of this being "wrong" is that it helps Newcastle. Huddersfield buying Aaron Mooy gave not one single second of time trying to help Manchester City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 4 hours ago, LondonLax said: The main difference between this Newcastle example and all those other examples cited (Udinese, Red Bull etc) is that in those other examples the clubs buying players were themselves subject to FFP so could not afford to overpay. With Saudi teams buying Newcastle’s castoffs there is theoretically no limit to the fee agreed. Having said that, the Saint Maximin transfer seems a reasonably fair price I dunno - £30m seems pretty steep for him tbh. Based on output, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 50 minutes ago, bobzy said: I dunno - £30m seems pretty steep for him tbh. Based on output, that is. Agree But 2 years ago the English media were trying to flog him to a top 6 team for £50-60m, he's fallen off massively since and was never that good anyway but he was hugely overhyped Values in football are nonsense across the board and there's so many daft transfers I think there'd be a hard time trying to argue the £30m is outlandish, Gordon was never worth what Newcastle paid for him and ASM has effectively worked out as 2/3 of that price, if back in the real world Nottingham Forest had bought him what would his value be? £20-25m? It's not like they've flogged a £5m reserve team player for £50m, they've maybe added 20% on top at worst Nothing will happen here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, bobzy said: I dunno - £30m seems pretty steep for him tbh. Based on output, that is. I’m not saying Maximin was a steal, just that £30m for an attacking forward from a top 4 club seems about the going rate these days. If he’d moved to another PL club the fee would not be commented on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 minute ago, LondonLax said: I’m not saying Maximin was a steal, just that £30m for an attacking forward from a top 4 club seems about the going rate these days. If he’d moved to another PL club the fee would not be commented on. That's where I am too You might get some "games gone mad" comments on social media but you wouldn't get calls for an investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 St Max fee of 25m-30m seems fine to me, he's only 26 years old. I'm much more suspicious as to how 32 year old Mahrez can cost 30-35m and 33 year old Henderson 12m. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 It's only a matter of time until Newcastle start selling players to Saudi clubs, and then loan them back for the entirety of their contract, all whilst contributing 0% to the players wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Just now, jacketspuds said: It's only a matter of time until Newcastle start selling players to Saudi clubs, and then loan them back for the entirety of their contract, all whilst contributing 0% to the players wages. Would be against the loan rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 3 hours ago, LondonLax said: I’m not saying Maximin was a steal, just that £30m for an attacking forward from a top 4 club seems about the going rate these days. If he’d moved to another PL club the fee would not be commented on. Yeah I think on the surface the numbers in the ASM transfer seem absolutely fine. The major concern will be if they are able to offload deadwood at will. It's not so much about getting over inflated fees, it's more if they are able to clear unwanted wages off their books on demand. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyVillans Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Barnes confirmed for about same price as diaby. I guess we shall see who is the better buy this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Saint Maximin averages 3 goals a season. 30 mill buys you a 3 goals a season player. Gotta be up there as the most overrated player in the prem. Newcastle payed 25 mill for him buts he's increased in value to 30 mill by averaging 3 goals a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 6 hours ago, StanBalaban said: Yeah I think on the surface the numbers in the ASM transfer seem absolutely fine. The major concern will be if they are able to offload deadwood at will. It's not so much about getting over inflated fees, it's more if they are able to clear unwanted wages off their books on demand. Wait and see what happens in Jan if they aren’t in the European places and they need a big name loan from the Saudi leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 6 hours ago, StanBalaban said: Yeah I think on the surface the numbers in the ASM transfer seem absolutely fine. The major concern will be if they are able to offload deadwood at will. It's not so much about getting over inflated fees, it's more if they are able to clear unwanted wages off their books on demand. Their deadwood is currently guys like Matt Targett, Jamal Lewis, Manquillo, Paul Dummett (I swear he's been at Newcastle since about 2008!) and Lascelles. Go months without seeing them and suddenly they make the odd cameo appearance off the bench. Not like they can all put them on a one way flight to Riyadh as given Saudi's want to build a competitive top division they need players who can add value. Chris Wood is actually one they did well to get off the books relatively quickly, now moved to Forest permanently despite being injured since March. They signed him when they were in a relegation battle with Burnley so weakened them massively even if he wasn't going to make much of an impact for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 hours ago, KAZZAM said: Saint Maximin averages 3 goals a season. 30 mill buys you a 3 goals a season player. Gotta be up there as the most overrated player in the prem. Newcastle payed 25 mill for him buts he's increased in value to 30 mill by averaging 3 goals a season. He is flashy and has YouTube tricks. I never rated him but some on here(some complaining about the price) suggested we blow a lot of the Grealish money on him as a replacement Its a fair Premier League winger price. Alex Iwobi cost 40 million 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Bunch of dickhead thugs. Can’t wait to smash them in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Tonali didnt look that great did he from what i saw? Couls take him time to get use to the league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 6 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Bunch of dickhead thugs. Can’t wait to smash them in the league. Said it multiple times but refs need to clamp down on them. It’s amazing how much they get away with. With compete refs they’d struggle to maintain results especially the amount of fouling the likes of Burn, Bruno and Joelinton get away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 23 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Said it multiple times but refs need to clamp down on them. It’s amazing how much they get away with. With compete refs they’d struggle to maintain results especially the amount of fouling the likes of Burn, Bruno and Joelinton get away with. We wont get nothing at sty james park as you know their fans are going to put intense pressure on the ref We just need to better than them. Its going to be tough but even as afriendly we did well with a team that is no where near fulk strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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