Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted August 17, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, magnkarl said: So, as someone who's Jewish I should be angry about Germany every time I go there? If you go to Nuremberg the Nazi congressional rally grounds are still there, golden ball room and all. And being left to deteriorate at the will of Mother Nature. There were huge debates about what to do with it all after the war, and the decision was made to leave them up until they crumbled so people could be reminded of what had gone on. The building modelled on the Coliseum but not finished, intended to be the head office of the NSDA, is now a museum. The statue of General Lee was erected over 50 years AFTER the war had ended. The rally grounds were part of what happened. If we were talking about a fort from the civil war, or a concentration camp, it'd be something different. But it isn't. It's a monument created decades after the event, commemorating a man who's primarily recognised for something negative and stood for something which continues to be a negative influence today. The main uses for the Nuremberg rally grounds now are i) rollerblading at the weekends (those crazy Germans!); ii) a friendly park with many man-made lakes; iii) a museum, presenting what happened before, during and after the war in a matter of fact way to illustrate the horrors; iv) the venue for the Rock im Park festival, Germany's Glastonbury. If Hitler could see what had become of his precious grounds he'd be spinning in his grave. If Lee could see that gilded monument of himself he'd probably be quite pleased. Completely different. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I've heard that at least one southern state is making one, but I don't know the statues statutes' status. It seems like the statues statutes' status is static. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, bickster said: The decision to remove the statue was a democratic decision reached by the local council. I've seen people claiming that Antifa were trying to tear it down, they weren't. They were just opposing a demonstration by the nazi sympathisers, who were opposed to that democratically reached decision. Yep, the Lee statue was removed after a due decision which is fair enough. Tearing down a statue that said "to the boys in grey" in Durham was not done democratically. That was purely a statue to respect all the young men that died in a horrible war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted August 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2017 I honestly don't understand all the fuss being made here - especially from someone who identifies themself as Jewish. Some neo-Nazis protested about the removal of a statue. That, right there, is a clear as **** sign that the statue should be taken down. If people got angry/violent towards these Nazi sympathisers in the process, then fair play to them. **** me. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 Maybe the former confederate states can vote on where to build a Confederate Memorial Museum, and privately fund it's operation. They can display all the removed statues there. I'd like to see them replaced with Frederick Douglas and Harriet Tubman statues, people who fought for freedom, not for slavery. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: If Lee could see that gilded monument of himself he'd probably be quite pleased whilst I don't wish to detract form the case you've put forward , Lee was opposed to monuments, specifically Confederate war monuments .. he went so far as to say countries that erased visible signs of civil war recovered from conflicts quicker ...that by keeping these symbols alive, it would keep the divisions alive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 16 minutes ago, maqroll said: It seems like the statues statutes' status is static. I didn't know that information was in the public domain. Get me the statistics on the statues statutes' status, stat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Wonder how Trump's going to react to this Barcelona attack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 17, 2017 Just now, magnkarl said: Wonder how Trump's going to react to this Barcelona attack. Any confirmation of Nazi deaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted August 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2017 Can you imagine if there was a huge ISIS march, with hundreds of dudes armed with assault rifles waving ISIS flags and chanting with torches, 'Infidels will not replace us', '***** you f*ggots', 'ISIS power' etc? And then one of them using their tried and tested method of running people over with a car, and actually killing someone? Would people be making excuses for them too? Would the ***** president of the United States get angry on their behalf on live television in front of the world? Would he claim there were good people on both sides? That the alt-ISIS were to blame too? I mean, ISIS had a permit right? The alt-ISIS had clubs and were charging at them so clearly they were to blame as well. ***** me, I honestly can't believe what I'm witnessing. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I didn't know that information was in the public domain. Get me the statistics on the statues statutes' status, stat. I've studied the statistics on the state of stasis of the statues statutes and it's staggering. Edited August 17, 2017 by maqroll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted August 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 17, 2017 33 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: whilst I don't wish to detract form the case you've put forward , Lee was opposed to monuments, specifically Confederate war monuments .. he went so far as to say countries that erased visible signs of civil war recovered from conflicts quicker ...that by keeping these symbols alive, it would keep the divisions alive I've literally just read that on Business Insider! Fair play to him. My implication was that his statue was rather nice, something of an honour, rather than a relic of failure like the rally grounds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 hours ago, magnkarl said: I'll be the first to protest, and have been on several occasions against the EDL Would you care to tell us where and when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 41 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Wonder how Trump's going to react to this Barcelona attack. Something about "The off-side and near-side being as bad as each other in this attack" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 6 hours ago, bickster said: As for the second video... that there is a gobshite That's no way to speak of the master race. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, bobzy said: I honestly don't understand all the fuss being made here - especially from someone who identifies themself as Jewish. Some neo-Nazis protested about the removal of a statue. That, right there, is a clear as **** sign that the statue should be taken down. If people got angry/violent towards these Nazi sympathisers in the process, then fair play to them. **** me. I think it's fair to say that if we ran the world 180 degrees from their views on anything in the world from this point on we would be OK. If they hate something then we all love it more and so on. The words removed. Edited August 17, 2017 by Amsterdam_Neil_D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Something about "The off-side and near-side being as bad as each other in this attack" Make sure to add "denounce everyone!" or else you'll be in trouble! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Just now, magnkarl said: Make sure to add "denounce everyone!" or else you'll be in trouble! "And ....I hate all small to medium sized vans, always have done." Trump added quickly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: "And ....I hate all small to medium sized vans, always have done." Trump added quickly. "those yuuuuge vans, coming over our walls" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Bit long to quote in full, but this basically says the people claiming they oppose the removal of statues commemorating and celebrating racism only because they value heritage and history are talking out their arse. Who knew? Quote The shooting of African-American church goers by white supremacist Dylann Roof reignited a fierce discussion in the American South about the role of Confederate symbols in public spaces. Much of this falls under the ‘hate vs. heritage’ debate; that confederate emblems represent heritage as opposed to racial animosity. Research by Logan Strother, Spencer Piston, and Thomas Ogorzalek finds that those who support the public presence of Confederate emblems tend to have less knowledge of Civil War history, demonstrating that racial prejudice does explain much of the observed support for the Confederate flag, while Southern heritage appears to explain relatively little. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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