daz316 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Ok mate one bad performance and Sanchez has been dropped for two games now, but I'm sure the players playing instead are warranting in given our results..... By the way your also forgetting one if my original points was Sanchez would still play but Westwood would hinder him in the middle of the park. Use the skills your players have, put Sanchez in the middle on his own and let the other three push forward. If he does that you'll find Sanchez isn't a bad player quite the opposite, just the victim of an inept manager who accepts failure as long as they keep it ticking over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danishlad Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'll say it again. This guy is not a premier league footballer. If you sit in front of the back four you have to win a tackle, a header, protect the back four. He can not- shame really because he has a nice pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 11, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Daz That. Is. What. Has. Happened. Sanchez HAS played that role. That is the role he plays when he's in the team. What you want to happen HAS HAPPENED. Westwood hasn't hindered him. The game he played terribly in was a game where Westwood was on the bench (the opposite of what you said would happen). How could he hinder him from the bench? You're arguing against something you've invented. it's a figment of your imagination. Nobody is saying Sanchez is a bad player. Nobody. Not me, not the manager. All anyone is saying is that he had a bad (very bad ) performance and has been dropped for it. Why he was out for the Hull game too? Could be any number of reasons. Could be because we actually played ok vs Chelsea. Could be that Sanchez is rested due to an unusually vigorous schedule (for him). but it's not because Lambert will play Westwood at all costs. If this was true why woudl Lambert have dropped Westwood for the Arsenal game? Why would he have kept Sanchez in his best position when Westwood was in the team? What you "predicted" would happen has not happened. Edited February 11, 2015 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz316 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Ok mate Westwood would be no where me this side for me Would look right at home back at Crewe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 11, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2015 Well that's a fair enough opinion even though I don't agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 He is playing too deep, needs pushing up with a proper Dmf behind him. He has a good shot and can pick a pass so should be played where we can take advantage of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Yes you might have a point there Bunnski. Late on against Arsenal he hit a teriffic shot and again last night. We play Sanchez deep and let Westwood be acm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 His lack of mobility, and energy is the problem.He is a tidy player , but offers nothing.He doesn't frighten the opposition, we keep hearing about his passing ability, but see little evidence of it. Last night he, and Delph, sat too deep, there was no support for CB.Every time he got the ball he was surrounded by 2 or 3 Hull players who crowded him out, and we lost the ball.The reason why they sat so deep is because of Westwoods lack of pace, and physical presence, which means they have to sit deeper to protect the back 4.Also Westwood wants too many touches, he very rarely plays a 1st time pass, takes one or 2 touches, and slows the game down too much, it means that Sinclair, and Gil in particular get the ball too late, and have too much to do, so have to play the ball backwards. We need to play to our strengths, which atm is very limited, but mainly CB, and Gil.So we need to build a team to accommodate these 2 players in their best positions, and for me that means playing Sanchez and Delph as holding midfielders with Gil behind CB. Westwood is an average player at best, he wasn't the worst last night, but there is no way he should be in the team ahead of Sanchez, and i'd prefer Bacuna over him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 He is playing too deep, needs pushing up with a proper Dmf behind him. He has a good shot and can pick a pass so should be played where we can take advantage of this. Nearly three years of PL football and his assist and goal record disagrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Tidy player but struggles with the game when he has to play at pace. No,mobile or energetic enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 He is playing too deep, needs pushing up with a proper Dmf behind him. He has a good shot and can pick a pass so should be played where we can take advantage of this. Nearly three years of PL football and his assist and goal record disagrees. He has been playing defensive midfield so his record isn't too bad at all imo certainly better than Delphs who has more licence to attack. Westwood also had great stats last season for chances created and key passes. In his first season he had 7 assists. He was bad last nite but then again who wasn't? He is too lightweight to be a Dmf and we need to open up in midfield alot more and take some chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Our entire midfield is awful. Westwood - creates nothing, never scores. Delph - creates nothing, never scores. Cleverley - creates nothing etc, etc etc, etc. Of course it'd be good if the forwards moved a bit more, but what's wrong with one of them taking the game by the scruff of the neck and driving forward into the box to have a chance or two themselves? Someone like "England International" Delph perhaps, who's supposed to be an attacking-minded player? Absolutely dreadful the lot of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Yesterday was the archetypal Westwood performance, tidy but ultimately ineffective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Whoever we pick in midfield, the net result is always the same. Sanchez is stronger but gives the ball away more. We were awful at Arsenal without Westwood, we were awful last night with him. You can say Arsenal are a better team but look at the game Leicester gave them. I also think Cleverly is just a scapegoat! Edited February 11, 2015 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh621 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) I'll say it again. This guy is not a premier league footballer. If you sit in front of the back four you have to win a tackle, a header, protect the back four. He can not- shame really because he has a nice pass. Agreed. There are players who sit deep and aren't expected to tackle too much though. For example; Pirlo - he's lightweight, isn't really there to tackle, but keeps things ticking with his passing whether short or long. Obviously Pirlo is out of this world in comparison to Westwood but just saying. Westwood isn't good enough just yet although he's an alright player (decent tidy passing), but he needs some Championship time i reckon. Edited February 11, 2015 by tomh621 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 get this guy off corners and set pieces ffs. he was bloody awful at them have to say i thought he was dreadful today. hopefully its a one off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Thought he was absolutely awful today. Gave the ball away all day and **** up nearly all out set pieces. He's a waste of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 15, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2015 Thought he played fine. But yeah his set pieces were crap. The floaty corners were back. Luckily Gil seems to be first choice for set pieces now so he should be on them when he plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Easy target. Thought he played fine. But yeah his set pieces were crap. The floaty corners were back. Luckily Gil seems to be first choice for set pieces now so he should be on them when he plays. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Pass completion was lower than Sanchez against arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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