AVFCforever1991 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Next season give me a boring midtable finish. Same, very much looking forward to next season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I may be tempting fate but I think we need a bit of perspective. We seem to be building Wigan up into some sort of unstoppable force and yet they have only won one of their last six Premiership matches! I'm still nervous, but given that Arsenal and Villa (imo) are both better teams than Wigan I'm sure we will survive. If only football worked like that then Man city would be FA cup winners Man City are a far different proposition to Arsenal. Did you watch them? They didn't look interested. But that isn't what was said. The inference was that both us and Arsenal are better teams than Wigan so we should be oK. My point was that football doesn't work like that as last Saturday at Wembley proved. You just cant rely on us being a better team so that's good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) Wigan won at the Emirates last season so they can do it again. Let's hope Arsenal bring their A game! Wigan won at the Emirates last season so they can do it again. Let's hope Arsenal bring their A game! Yes but they hadn't played an FA Cup final 3 days before hand. Last season's game was ridiculous Wigan were 2-0 up in about 20 mins. We should worry if that happens again. Edited May 14, 2013 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 If by some outside, left-field, chance, Maloney played a significant role in helping to relegate us, my misery would be complete. Wasn't he supposed to be so homesick he couldn't play in England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 If by some outside, left-field, chance, Maloney played a significant role in helping to relegate us, my misery would be complete. Wasn't he supposed to be so homesick he couldn't play in England? yep that's the reason given at the time. I was amazed to see him leave Scotland again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 But saying that Wigan is a complete shit-hole so it probably feels more like home for him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 we have had 37 games , you cannot just pick and chose one or the other and say if only Exactly! It's been our poor defending all season that has put us in this position not individual games or performances! Lambert should have sorted it out in the summer or even January but instead has chosen to gamble with our safety. Seems to me from things Lambert said that he was expecting Dunne to get back to fitness and was a bit knocked back when the useless fat lump kept coming in with a new sick note. Yes but he gambled and lost IMO. Remember the club also sold Collins and released Cuellar both of whom were experienced Premier League defenders, keeping Cuellar would have made sense in my eyes. To rely on a player who has had long term fitness issues is incompetent as I see it and something that has badly misfired. He also must have seen that in January even loaning a defender rather than Dawkins was the thing to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Cuellar was woeful against us. I think we're letting our like of the player cloud our judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Cuellar was woeful against us. I think we're letting our like of the player cloud our judgement. Yes I agree. I don't think that Cuellar is God or Laursen like but he would have given some experience to a side that had a back 4 of Lowton, Clark, Baker and Bennett plus Vlaar may not have had all the pressure of being the senior player in defence during his first year in this league? However pounds and pennies seem to over ride football commonsense at VP ATM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 But saying that Wigan is a complete shit-hole so it probably feels more like home for him. Beat me to it! I can understand anyone wanting to leave Glasgow but not for Wigan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 we have had 37 games , you cannot just pick and chose one or the other and say if only Exactly! It's been our poor defending all season that has put us in this position not individual games or performances! Lambert should have sorted it out in the summer or even January but instead has chosen to gamble with our safety. Seems to me from things Lambert said that he was expecting Dunne to get back to fitness and was a bit knocked back when the useless fat lump kept coming in with a new sick note. Yes but he gambled and lost IMO. Remember the club also sold Collins and released Cuellar both of whom were experienced Premier League defenders, keeping Cuellar would have made sense in my eyes. To rely on a player who has had long term fitness issues is incompetent as I see it and something that has badly misfired. He also must have seen that in January even loaning a defender rather than Dawkins was the thing to do? Can't believe some still don't get it. We never had a chance of keeping either because we wouldn't pay their wages. He also said on several occassions that he had defenders lined up in jan but the club also wouldn't pay their wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I may be tempting fate but I think we need a bit of perspective. We seem to be building Wigan up into some sort of unstoppable force and yet they have only won one of their last six Premiership matches! I'm still nervous, but given that Arsenal and Villa (imo) are both better teams than Wigan I'm sure we will survive. If only football worked like that then Man city would be FA cup winners Man City are a far different proposition to Arsenal. Did you watch them? They didn't look interested. But that isn't what was said. The inference was that both us and Arsenal are better teams than Wigan so we should be oK. My point was that football doesn't work like that as last Saturday at Wembley proved. You just cant rely on us being a better team so that's good enough Not discounting want your saying Richard, there Is no such thing as a dead cert, but simply giving a crap always helps and Man City simply wasn't at the races at Wembley. What I would say, as I have before Is that given how the league has panned out, if we could hand pick the fixtures of our rivals it would be Arsenal and Spurs. Fingers crossed that form and class shows through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Wigan's an ace town, had the time of my life when I lived there. It's a decent sized town but is within a few minutes of some lovely countryside, and it's handily placed between Manchester and Liverpool. There's nowhere in Wigan that's as bad as the worst parts of Glasgow or Brum, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted May 14, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted May 14, 2013 I may be tempting fate but I think we need a bit of perspective. We seem to be building Wigan up into some sort of unstoppable force and yet they have only won one of their last six Premiership matches! I'm still nervous, but given that Arsenal and Villa (imo) are both better teams than Wigan I'm sure we will survive. If only football worked like that then Man city would be FA cup winners Man City are a far different proposition to Arsenal. Did you watch them? They didn't look interested. But that isn't what was said. The inference was that both us and Arsenal are better teams than Wigan so we should be oK. My point was that football doesn't work like that as last Saturday at Wembley proved. You just cant rely on us being a better team so that's good enough Not discounting want your saying Richard, there Is no such thing as a dead cert, but simply giving a crap always helps and Man City simply wasn't at the races at Wembley. What I would say, as I have before Is that given how the league has panned out, if we could hand pick the fixtures of our rivals it would be Arsenal and Spurs. Fingers crossed that form and class shows through. good point, they are pretty much the only 2 teams at the top who have to get results now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted May 14, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted May 14, 2013 Wigan's an ace town, had the time of my life when I lived there. It's a decent sized town but is within a few minutes of some lovely countryside, and it's handily placed between Manchester and Liverpool. There's nowhere in Wigan that's as bad as the worst parts of Glasgow or Brum, that's for sure. and you can get good pies and barm cakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 But saying that Wigan is a complete shit-hole so it probably feels more like home for him. Do you think they deep-fry Mars Bars there so that makes him feel at home? (Sorry, not serious - Risso is dead right about Wigan. Nice town but not really a footballing town.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 we have had 37 games , you cannot just pick and chose one or the other and say if only Exactly! It's been our poor defending all season that has put us in this position not individual games or performances! Lambert should have sorted it out in the summer or even January but instead has chosen to gamble with our safety. Seems to me from things Lambert said that he was expecting Dunne to get back to fitness and was a bit knocked back when the useless fat lump kept coming in with a new sick note. Yes but he gambled and lost IMO. Remember the club also sold Collins and released Cuellar both of whom were experienced Premier League defenders, keeping Cuellar would have made sense in my eyes. To rely on a player who has had long term fitness issues is incompetent as I see it and something that has badly misfired. He also must have seen that in January even loaning a defender rather than Dawkins was the thing to do? Can't believe some still don't get it. We never had a chance of keeping either because we wouldn't pay their wages. He also said on several occassions that he had defenders lined up in jan but the club also wouldn't pay their wages. Oh I do get it! In Lerner's opinion recouping his investment is more important than us having a competitive side. It was a choice made by Lerner over the withholding of money for wages. Another defender's wages would not have bankrupt the club but may (and that's a big if) have helped the side defend more competently and not concede at least 1 goal for the last 21 games in a row? I suggested Cuellar because he was already here, settled in the area and wanted to stay so it seemed for less money than he was on previously? However the mighty dollar rules at VP and Lerner will try and get all he can back into his trust fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I understand what you're saying Richard, but my point was more about Wigan's recent league form which is very poor. I'm not saying they can't survive, just that the probability is that their available players are not good enough to beat both Arsenal and Villa over the next few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaForever1970 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) Suddenly got nervous. **** sake. Imagine if Wigan win. Edited May 14, 2013 by VillaForever1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islingtonclaret Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Wigan's an ace town, had the time of my life when I lived there. It's a decent sized town but is within a few minutes of some lovely countryside, and it's handily placed between Manchester and Liverpool. There's nowhere in Wigan that's as bad as the worst parts of Glasgow or Brum, that's for sure. and you can get good pies and barm cakes. barm cakes for barm pots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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