legov Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 yeah i know now , someone had already answered that one for me a few pages back , I think I got confused by a combination of my general ignorance of the size and demographic of US states and a search return from my phone when I typed it in that sorta suggested on first glance that it did have one You know, I think the percentage of white voters in favour of Romney in the Southern states is similar to the share of the black vote Obama enjoys - I.e. in the nineties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Republicans need to ditch the Tea Party and all the religious shite and reclaim the centre. If this race taught them anything it should be that going way right then trying to take the centre last minute doesn't fool anyone. America really needs a competitive third party. It is being pretty widely reported that the Republicans will never win again unless they become attractive to Hispanic voters. Hispanic voters are naturally conservative and have no traditional alliance with the Democrats but have been alienated by the Republicans over their policy on illegal immigrants and migration in general. I suspect this will mean the Republicans take a shift to the centre out of sheer necessity but the extreme right of the party, like the tea party element for example, will probably want to break away. Could that be the start of a 3 party system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 7, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2012 Aye theres increasing talk of the Republican Party perhaps by necessity splitting apart as it struggles to balance principle with the need to appeal to demographics it simply does not currently do. It would mean that the Tea Party would go it's own way and, if it stuck to it's principles, it'd never elect a President. It appeals to a demographic that is shrinking. The rest of the party will begrudgingly move towards the centre to tussle it out over the independent voters and probably gun for the Hispanic demographic severely, seeing that as an investment that would pay off in coming elections. It'll only happen when it becomes obvious that the Republican party has lost a feasible chance of winning an election, which is perhaps a generation or 2 away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The very racist/bigoted/homophobic/mysoginistic religious fundamentalist party The not quite as racist/bigoted/homophobic/mysoginistic religious fundamentalist party and the Democrats? Can't see it myself. Even splitting off some of the crazies would shatter the GOPs support base and hand almost permanent electoral success to the Dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Congratulations to America. They, and the rest of the World for that matter, are much better off not having a Republican President. Depends on the person and which part of the world you're talking about. Certainly Obama isn't as good for Britain as everyone is making out. I don't know if it's just short memories, selective memories or people simply not knowing but Obama has not been that good for Britain as US president. Not that I think Romney would be that good for Britain either, but I don't think he'd be any worse than Obama has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 7, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2012 The very racist/bigoted/homophobic/mysoginistic religious fundamentalist party The not quite as racist/bigoted/homophobic/mysoginistic religious fundamentalist party and the Democrats? Can't see it myself. Even splitting off some of the crazies would shatter the GOPs support base and hand almost permanent electoral success to the Dems. If the Tea Party continues to exert influence and grow, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened, as they're crazy. And the more realistic aspects of the Republican party know they have to start considering going Left to regain power as the US changes. That will cause tension in the GOP and I would not be surprised to see it break - the Tea Party will not like a move Left, and the more moderate Republicans will know the Tea Party is a ready made noose for them. It won't happen any time soon but pressure will mount in coming elections as the white heartland of the GOP wanes. Texas could feasibly go Democratic in the next generation - that's crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Obama has not been that good for Britain as US president. for snubbing Brown a couple of times he always gets my vote out of interest (if they don't mind saying ) did any of our US VT'ers vote Romney ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The very racist/bigoted/homophobic/mysoginistic religious fundamentalist party The not quite as racist/bigoted/homophobic/mysoginistic religious fundamentalist party and the Democrats? Can't see it myself. Even splitting off some of the crazies would shatter the GOPs support base and hand almost permanent electoral success to the Dems. Exactly what I was thinking. Yesterday was the best chance the Republicans will have to win an election for a very long time. Due to the changing demographic it is only going to get much harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I think the Tea Party will be blunted. Supporters of the Tea Party are...well there's no other way to put it...dying out. If they're smart, Repubs will make a mad grab for pro-immigration and anti-war/drones to reclaim the center. It's just like chess and football, gotta control the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I think the Tea Party will be blunted. Supporters of the Tea Party are...well there's no other way to put it...dying out. If they're smart, Repubs will make a mad grab for pro-immigration and anti-war/drones to reclaim the center. It's just like chess and football, gotta control the middle. Yes, I could see the Republicans coming back if they made a shift away from the extream eliments of their party and went for the middle ground. Kind of like the transformation the Labour party made in the UK with Blair (though obviously moving from the left to the middle in that case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Looking at the video's from yesterday one of the striking things was the mix of the relative parties. The Democrats seem to cover all races, all genders, all ages, whereas the Republicans were 99% white and judging by appearances people of wealth. Seems familiar hmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Are you talking about the people at the candidates HQ's? Can't really judge their support based on that. The Republican support base is more than just old rich white people though, although it is less diverse than the Democrat support base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 How will the legalised marijuana states deal with the federal ban on pot? The question is how will the feds deal with the states...if Obama's first term tells us anything, it's that he'll send in the DEA and perform raids like they did in California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Netanyahu is not a happy boy today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The question is how will the feds deal with the states...if Obama's first term tells us anything, it's that he'll send in the DEA and perform raids like they did in California. Does Federal law always trump State Law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Yes, I could see the Republicans coming back if they made a shift away from the extream eliments of their party and went for the middle ground. Kind of like the transformation the Labour party made in the UK with Blair (though obviously moving from the left to the middle in that case). It's their only play if they want to stay competitive. That and appealing to minorities. Does Federal law always trump State Law? It's a bit tricky. Federal Law doesn't usually trump State Law but they've used loopholes regarding the Commerce Clause and interstate trade to jump all over it. Then again, Obama might just do whatever he wants and sick the DEA on them. Theoretically, since he doesn't have to run for re-election again, he should ease up on appearing as if he's anti-drug. Then again, maybe that was his position all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Does Federal law always trump State Law? It depends on the political leanings of the president and his Justice Department. In 1962, JFK sent federal marshals down to University of Mississippi to force the school to admit a black student, which was against the state law at the time. Marijuana growers were shocked that Obama went after them so hard...who knows, he may turn into the "liberal" people thought they were voting for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyklip Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Does Federal law always trump State Law? Some people already answered this, but their responses are sort of off. It would be most appropriate to say that no state law may contradict a federal law; the Constitution is very clear about this. It has and continues to happen as a result of enforcement issues and the time it takes to have them legally challenged in court. But technically it is not supposed to ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 7, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2012 Looking at the video's from yesterday one of the striking things was the mix of the relative parties. The Democrats seem to cover all races, all genders, all ages, whereas the Republicans were 99% white and judging by appearances people of wealth. Seems familiar hmmmmmmm Just watching coverage of disappointed (young) GOP supporters on BBC News. Very much the equivalents of "Tory boys". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Massachusetts voted for medical legalization and Physician Assisted Suicide Strike that, it (P.A.S.) was narrowly defeated, a decision helped along by the Catholic Church, big surprise there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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