Mantis Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 'Fiscal conservative' wasn't it? ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 ??? Your declaration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 Both parties have their nutty supporters. They're not a lot different in that respect. Really? You think the Democrats have their own version of the conspiracy-fearing, Constitution-rewriting, anti-human religious nutjobs on the far right? Not saying all Republicans are nutty, or that Democrats always think rationally, but the crazies on the right tend to be far, far, far nuttier than the ones on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 Oh dear. They're rubbing it in now. Cue Romney's "Under me, Massachusetts was third (?) in science and math" argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Really? You think the Democrats have their own version of the conspiracy-fearing, Constitution-rewriting, anti-human religious nutjobs on the far right? Not saying all Republicans are nutty, or that Democrats always think rationally, but the crazies on the right tend to be far, far, far nuttier than the ones on the left. we get pointless sterotyping in the UK politics threads as well I've never really got it ... you have nutters , bigots , religious freaks in all walks of society , to suggest some form of high ground by saying our party has less <insert crime / viewpoint here > than yours just seems stupid and pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 we get pointless sterotyping in the UK politics threads as well I've never really got it ... you have nutters , bigots , religious freaks in all walks of society , to suggest some form of high ground by saying our party has less <insert crime / viewpoint here > than yours just seems stupid and pointless From over here, it does indeed seem that the religious right in the US is the home of many who could be called barking. It seems that most people opposing Romney were concerned about things like more inequality, or less healthcare, or changes to abortion rights, while many comments from those opposing Obama seemed to suggest he's a marxist, that christianity will be eradicated, and that they need to arm themselves, lay in supplies, and prepare for the Rapture. If similarly odd views exist in those numbers among Democrat types, it doesn't seem to get much coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 9, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2012 That's true, Tony - provided you are talking extreme left-wing or extreme right wing types. We have both sorts here, and I expect they have both sorts in the US. But over here they are usually outside the mainstream parties. The vast majority of both Labour and Conservative activists - however polarised they may be - are still essentially democratic, centrist, moderate. Similarly, I have so far not seen any evidence of true American lefties who are actually affiliated to the Democratic Party. But there do seem to be significant numbers of avowed Republicans whom I would regard as borderline insane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Your declaration. What are you on about? Really? You think the Democrats have their own version of the conspiracy-fearing, Constitution-rewriting, anti-human religious nutjobs on the far right?Of course they do. From over here, it does indeed seem that the religious right in the US is the home of many who could be called barking. It seems that most people opposing Romney were concerned about things like more inequality, or less healthcare, or changes to abortion rights, while many comments from those opposing Obama seemed to suggest he's a marxist, that christianity will be eradicated, and that they need to arm themselves, lay in supplies, and prepare for the Rapture. If similarly odd views exist in those numbers among Democrat types, it doesn't seem to get much coverage. The media are biased in the UK to be pro-Democrat/anti-Republican. This is evidenced by everyone's perception here that Romney would be invading Iran the moment he got into office and Obama would stay out. This is despite the fact that Romney and Obama's stance on Iran was virtually identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 Of course they do. Evidence. I know there are probably still some commies around, but do they take over the airwaves and government like the Teabags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peterms Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 The media are biased in the UK to be pro-Democrat/anti-Republican. This is evidenced by everyone's perception here that Romney would be invading Iran the moment he got into office and Obama would stay out. This is despite the fact that Romney and Obama's stance on Iran was virtually identical. Generally, the UK media's attitude to US politics has refected their broader political views, unsurprisingly. Centre-left publications are more likely to support Democrats, with most newspapers supporting Republicans. That is less pronounced when there is less difference between the parties. Personally, I think they both occupy almost the same territory anyway. But it's just not the case that UK media usually support the Democrats. Look back to previous years. Many of them were indulgent towards that drooling idiot Reagan, for example, or supported the Bush dynasty. As for Iran, I think the perception was that Romney would be more likely to allow Israel to start a war. That seems a fair reflection of what he was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I've seen versions of that about Canada and the UK too. The US really is the most capitalist/least socialist of all western and developed nations, even with Obama in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 What are you on about? Of course they do. The media are biased in the UK to be pro-Democrat/anti-Republican. This is evidenced by everyone's perception here that Romney would be invading Iran the moment he got into office and Obama would stay out. This is despite the fact that Romney and Obama's stance on Iran was virtually identical. Fox News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 The media is just reflective of where we are politically compared to the US. I for one hope the Republican party and all they currently stand for remain a joke to us, and not a feasible alternative to what we currently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 If you want to find the height of demented mania from Democrats, you need not only look back during the height of the Bush years when they were convinced he was Hitler and he would soon take over the government and have us high stepping and starting wars in every country imaginable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Well he invaded a country without warrant, institued guantanamo and introduced some contemptible legislation such as the patriot act which " enabled" him and the gov to capitalise on fear and aggresively pursue acts that counter demicratic ideals. To be fair Obama has been useless in repealing such abhorrent laws too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Fox News. I was talking about UK news. Of course there's more of a balance in the US. Generally, the UK media's attitude to US politics has refected their broader political views, unsurprisingly. Centre-left publications are more likely to support Democrats, with most newspapers supporting Republicans. That is less pronounced when there is less difference between the parties. Personally, I think they both occupy almost the same territory anyway. But it's just not the case that UK media usually support the Democrats. Look back to previous years. Many of them were indulgent towards that drooling idiot Reagan, for example, or supported the Bush dynasty. As for Iran, I think the perception was that Romney would be more likely to allow Israel to start a war. That seems a fair reflection of what he was saying. Many of the UK media outlets were supporting Bush? That's news to me. Evidence. I know there are probably still some commies around, but do they take over the airwaves and government like the Teabags? Were you not around when Bush was US president? Kwan's post sums it up. Also plenty of "if [insert Republican candidate here] wins I'm moving to Canada". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I was talking about UK news. Of course there's more of a balance in the US. I wasn't referring to the balance, but the inference that a left leaning media outlet makes the Republicans look like nutters. Fox news is pro Republican and they do the best job of all in that respect. In fact the BBC puts them in a much more credible light IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I wasn't referring to the balance, but the inference that a left leaning media outlet makes the Republicans look like nutters. Fox news is pro Republican and they do the best job of all in that respect. In fact the BBC puts them in a much more credible light IMO. I meant a balance as in there will be pro-Republican and pro-Democrat media outlets in the US whereas here they're virtually all pro-Democrat. In fact they're probably more pro-Democrat than a lot of pro-Democrat US stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Not really arguing pro-Bush policies, just saying that you don't need to look that far back when Democrats thought that we were turning into WW2 Germany. Only now, the pendulum has swung the other way and Republicans think we're turning into Cold War Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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