dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 I'm unsure about the criticism of Spains defence. They 1-O'd their way to a WC win. So they can grind it out with the best. I'm certainly not their biggest fan, frankly they are dull most of the time, but they are a good team. I usually find teams can be judged better when they know where they stand. We'll see what Holland are made of etc. I'm looking forward to seeing France tomorow. Fair points. Except the Spanish defence thing. This is not the same defence, I think Ramos is a poor centre half for one. I must admit to not knowing much about their other options there. I though Holland looked very good despite the loss. Just wasn't their day. I guess that's what we love about these tournaments eh? I'm actually genuinely looking forward to tomorrow. Come on you lions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Lovely Irish accent St. Ledger has. haven't heard it but it should be Brummy - he went to the same school as my 3 kids on Chelmsley Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdabush Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Lovely Irish accent St. Ledger has. haven't heard it but it should be Brummy - he went to the same school as my 3 kids on Chelmsley Wood Yep, definitely still got the twang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Lovely Irish accent St. Ledger has. haven't heard it but it should be Brummy - he went to the same school as my 3 kids on Chelmsley Wood I was being sarcastic Rob! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Worst most limited ROI team I've seen in many a year. Simply awful through the middle and if Croatia hadn't taken their foot off the gas it could have been a real drubbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 We didnt deserve anything today and Croatia deserved to win by more. Worrying part for me was the goals were all quite simple for Croatia. Think Given isnt fit and Stephen Ward should not be near an Ireland squad. Ian Harte or even Denis Irwin could still do a better job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Ward has been awful Looks like a parks player Indeed. No wonder Wolves got relegated if he was playing like this every week. he was their captain at end of season, useless player and he was a right winger 3 or 4 years ago and now he is a left back FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Ireland are massively overrated on here. we have 3 unemployed players, a few players from Wolves and a lot of Championship players. overrated is a strange word to describe Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted June 11, 2012 Author Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2012 Ireland are massively overrated on here. we have 3 unemployed players, a few players from Wolves and a lot of Championship players. overrated is a strange word to describe Ireland Yet it still seemingly applies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I think the overrated label applies after what people were saying after the draw. I looked at 2 pages after the draw and this is what was put: Decent draw for Ireland considering our recent record against the Italians, Croatia are good but beatable and the Spanish are the Spanish. It'll be tough to get out of the group but i fancy us to sneak second place. I think Eire can get 2nd, they can go into this with no pressure We also perform better against bigger teams so wouldnt be surprised if we pick up 4 points Not sure why people felt that way. As soon as the draw was made, any point gained would be a massively successful tournement for Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 They played like they'd been on the Magners all day Rubbish performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffoman Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Ireland are a very ordinary team no one is doubting that and while they were outclassed last night the manner of the result flatters Croatia. They owned the ball in midfield yet apart from two slices of luck for two of the goals rarely created any clear cut opportunities inside the box. If the penalty had been given would have been a different game. Don't get me wrong it's obvious they were better but a lot of knee jerk reactions here. Their defense was very shakey especially Corluka at centre back who gave away stupid foul after foul. They also looked very weak under crosses. Keith Andrews in particular had 2-3 great chances near the end but unfortunately suffered the liabity of being total shit. In reality out tournament is over and all we have to look forward to is maybe snatching a draw from one of the two remaining games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Ireland are massively overrated on here. we have 3 unemployed players, a few players from Wolves and a lot of Championship players. overrated is a strange word to describe IrelandJust because Ireland aren't very good doesn't mean they can't be overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Ireland should of had a penalty. It was so blatant. Not impressed with the refereeing so far. Greece and Denmark games had poor refereing too. Some Ireland fans want Keane out the team :shock: No one on the Ireland bench is as good as Keane. I think perhaps Doyle should be dropped for Long and Ward should also be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Ireland are massively overrated on here. we have 3 unemployed players, a few players from Wolves and a lot of Championship players. overrated is a strange word to describe IrelandJust because Ireland aren't very good doesn't mean they can't be overrated. Indeed. Irish people are very quick at calling out the English whenever we get behind our team. I can see why English people might want to return the favour from time to time. Personally I couldnt give a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si. Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 11, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2012 We're definitely an outsider. Of course. But we're cautiously optimistic that we're a dangerous opponent. We could easily end up with zero points. We know that. But everyone knows Italy are renowned for fannying around in the group stages. If we can get a result against Croatia and then Italy do their usual, there's a chance. Well it looks like "we could easily end up with zero points". We did deserve to lose, but it would've been nice to be given a fairer crack of the whip by our Dutch friend in black. Ho hum. I can't wait for these decisions to "even themselves out" because we seem to be like the Wigan Athletic of the international game these past few years when it comes to officiating. As for the game. Given for the first goal. Oh dear. Ward tried the whole night to be a 3rd centre back, giving his winger too much space and giving McGeady too much to do defensively. Whelan was rubbish and so was Doyle. The decision to bring Cox on to play on the wing instead of McClean was baffling. I was surprised at the ease in which we were outplayed. Croatia were very well organised and obviously we knew they were technically much superior. Even the failed-at-Spurs keeper looked decent for them. I can't see them getting much from the other 2 in the group and I'd expect Italy and Spain to saunter into the knockouts now. We certainly won't get anything from either of those 2 and they both looked a few levels above Croatia too. Because let's face it, if you call a spade a spade, as good as Croatia were and as poor as we were, they beat us with an offside goal and a denied penalty. So if I was Croatia I'd enjoy being top of the group for the next few days. We just need to be happy now that we got to the finals. Our next group games will be interesting to say the least. Will Trap let them off the leash just for shits 'n giggles or will he stick to the tried and trusted. I think it'll be the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 The goal wasnt offside though BOF. Jelavic scored from a shanked Stephen Ward clearance. Ireland should have definitely had a penalty, how the referee missed that is beyond me, but there was nothing wrong with the Croatia goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 11, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2012 When the initial shot (phase 1) was taken, he was offside (but not interfering at that point). At no point in the subsequent phase was he ever back onside. Therefore at the point where he became active, he was off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Only if the ball is played forwards though, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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