KSV Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 3 hours ago, meregreen said: I guess it's all about opinions. In my opinion he is one of the worst link up players I've ever seen, very easy to disposses, has no awareness of players around him, simply not a very "clever" player. Once his pace started to wane, and it is, he has very little to offer. Should have moved this guy on years ago. I agree to an extent but.. my opinion is based on who is at the club.. and i dont think we have anyone better back to wall.. he keeps possession well.. well he has in pre season since hes been fit again. I remember when MON had him upfront on his own in that 451 formation and he was doing really well. We need a target man imo. Benteke style (obviously not as good) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 8 hours ago, KSV said: hate to say.. but he is our best link up striker.. he can hold the ball up and hes mobile........... until we sign someone better.. he may need to be starting more games than he should. Kodjia----------Gabby---------Hogan in a 433. As Meregreen so rightly points out football is about opinions and in mine I really don't think Gabby can play with his back to goal - he's not good enough. Firstly you need a good touch to kill it - you then need a good awareness in a split second or two in order to bring team mates into the game or the ability to hang on to it until a team mate arrives - I'm afraid imo I see none of these qualities in him 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 The last few matches he has played (going back to the derby at VP) he has looked like a red card waiting to happen. I suppose thats better than looking like he can't be arsed, but I'd give short odds that he sees red before Xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 5 hours ago, KSV said: I agree to an extent but.. my opinion is based on who is at the club.. and i dont think we have anyone better back to wall.. he keeps possession well.. well he has in pre season since hes been fit again. I remember when MON had him upfront on his own in that 451 formation and he was doing really well. We need a target man imo. Benteke style (obviously not as good) and then he signed Heskey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 5 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Can we keep the dog? Yes, but I am taking the CDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 34 minutes ago, villakram said: and then he signed Heskey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 1 hour ago, TheStagMan said: Yes, but I am taking the CDs Ooo ya barsteward, okay but defo keeping the tv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 On 7/22/2017 at 17:29, Dave J said: It's a ridiculously low return for a striker given the amount of games played.imo His return was pretty good up to 2010...four seasons running which he hit double figures in the prem so consistant for a striker who's never been the greatest finisher, was played out wide quite a lot and didn't take penalties either which tops up a lot of strikers tallies when they're out of form. Been poor since then, 5 goals on average and declining. That said just me that would prefer him to start as lone striker ahead of Hogan? Gabby I thought played that role o.k in his games in January, Hogan looks totally unsuited to it. Gabby will be involved more than people think I reckon if he stays fit, on the bench as an impact player and will also start games I'm sure maybe even out wide given our lack of options. He's lucky to be still here of course but he tends to be o.k for the British managers he's served under so he might be a surprise package this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, VillaChris said: His return was pretty good up to 2010...four seasons running which he hit double figures in the prem so consistant for a striker who's never been the greatest finisher, was played out wide quite a lot and didn't take penalties either which tops up a lot of strikers tallies when they're out of form. Been poor since then, 5 goals on average and declining. That said just me that would prefer him to start as lone striker ahead of Hogan? Gabby I thought played that role o.k in his games in January, Hogan looks totally unsuited to it. Gabby will be involved more than people think I reckon if he stays fit, on the bench as an impact player and will also start games I'm sure maybe even out wide given our lack of options. He's lucky to be still here of course but he tends to be o.k for the British managers he's served under so he might be a surprise package this time. Regardless it remains a poor return overall per games played. Whilst I agree that Hogan may not be the lone striker answer - it's definitely not Gabby either - he simply is not good enough imo and I saw nothing in January to suggest otherwise again imo. Bruce for some reason known to himself appears to rate him - so he will get game time - but don't hold your breath on much of a return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) I tend to agree with Dave. Over a full career a return of 1 goal every 4 1/2 games is quite poor for a striker. And over the last 7 years he has a return of 1 goal in almost every 7 games. Why exactly are people thinking he is suddenly going to start scoring again. Bruce has been sucked into giving him another chance. Ok he has lost weight and got fitter but why did he get so unfit when we have been paying him 65k a week. he never deserved another chance. Edited July 24, 2017 by PaulC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 is career record of 1 goal in every 4.5 games really that bad of a record considering he has been at best average in last 6 years and played a good amount of games for Villa on the wing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Zatman said: is career record of 1 goal in every 4.5 games really that bad of a record considering he has been at best average in last 6 years and played a good amount of games for Villa on the wing Yes well Ronaldo has played there most of his career but still scored bags of goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Just now, PaulC said: Yes well Ronaldo has played there most of his career but still scored bags of goals but Ronaldo is an all time great and has played with great players. Agbonlahor is an average English player with great pace and played with midfielders like Reo Coker, Westwood and Bacuna really no comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Don't forget Barry Bannan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) Comparable would be someone like Vassell, I think he played 4-5 full seasons for us upfront. Did he even reach 50 goals for us, one year him and JPA linked superbly for half a year and so Vass got into double figures but can't remember him having another season like that. JPA aswell, one brilliant year where he scored 23 goals in all competitions but other years where he only got 5 or 6. It's not that easy. Gabby might actually have been close to 100 prem goals for us if he hadn't messed around from 2013 which would've been quite an achievement as Yorke didn't manage that for us. Just for comparisons....Yorkie 73 goals in 232 games. Dublin 48 goals in 155 games Benteke 42 goals in 89 games JPA 44 goals in 175 games Carew 37 goals in 113 games Vassell 35 goals in 162 games Gabby 74 goals in 335 games Benteke. Dosen't look good for Gabby but he's still been making 20 odd appearences a year on average for us since 2013 when he started declining and has scored very few goals so around that time his ratio probably wasn't that far off Yorke. Edited July 24, 2017 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Zatman said: is career record of 1 goal in every 4.5 games really that bad of a record considering he has been at best average in last 6 years and played a good amount of games for Villa on the wing As someone said above, more like 1 in 7 over the last few years....... I do agree he has been average, admittedly there were a couple of seasons when he looked pretty good, and to be honest, he was shining in the 08-09 season up front on his own and we and he were flying. Really thought that he could be the next great thing. He scored 11 goals that season. Then we signed Heskey and changed the shape of the team to accommodate him, and then everything went downhill from there. Over the past 4 years, Gabby has been nothing short of a joke and has been a very lucky boy to still be at the club. That said, we are not going to be able to offload him this season - and maybe just maybe he will be of use to us, so we should use him as it suits us. I hate seeing him in my teams colours, but if we are paying him, we may as well get something back. Just to add - Emile's career average is 1 goal in every 4.0 games (better than Gabbys!). How many people would welcome him back??? (forgetting his age for a moment). Edited July 24, 2017 by TheStagMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 51 minutes ago, PaulC said: I tend to agree with Dave. Over a full career a return of 1 goal every 4 1/2 games is quite poor for a striker. And over the last 7 years he has a return of 1 goal in almost every 7 games. Why exactly are people thinking he is suddenly going to start scoring again. Bruce has been sucked into giving him another chance. Ok he has lost weight and got fitter but why did he get so unfit when we have been paying him 65k a week. he never deserved another chance. Part of the blame has to go with managers who became obsessed with playing him out wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Comparable would be someone like Vassell, I think he played 4-5 full seasons for us upfront. Did he even reach 50 goals for us, one year him and JPA linked superbly for half a year and so Vass got into double figures but can't remember him having another season like that. JPA aswell, one brilliant year where he scored 23 goals in all competitions but other years where he only got 5 or 6. It's not that easy. Gabby might actually have been close to 100 prem goals for us if he hadn't messed around from 2013 which would've been quite an achievement as Yorke didn't manage that for us. I don't think you can blame the managers for Gabby's tail off in terms of goals. Lambert got something out of him in his first season out wide and Sherwood managed it short term but hes has seemed the type of player since Oneill that only really puts in the effort short term. Even under Oneill actually he only played for half a season. He always tailed off after February 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 I wasn't blaming the managers, Gabby's always been too comfortable here and his conduct in 15/16 was disgraceful. Was just saying from that list it's too easy to say he should've scored 100 goals as he's been here forever when only Benteke, Yorke and possibly Dublin would've achieved it from our list. I just think he might have a bigger impact on this season than people are imagining particularly if Hogan continues to look ill suited in our set up. Kodjia as our number one and Gabby to turn back the clock nicking goals coming off the bench and putting in good shifts in away games is my prediction. Hogan to score 4 goals off his backside against Burton and QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) Just for s*its and giggles, I did a very unscientific comparison of games played vs goals for some of our old player to see how Gabby stacked up against them.... using stats from Soccerbase.com I came up with Player Pld Goals Rate 296 matches Tony Morley * 179 34 0.190 56 Gabby Agbonlahor 296 74 0.25 74 Juan Pablo Angel 134 44 0.33 97 Dean Saunders 115 38 0.33 97 Darius Vassell 107 35 0.33 97 Savo Milosevic 86 29 0.34 100 Dwight Yorke 200 73 0.365 108 Luke Moore 36 14 0.39 115 (!) David Platt 121 50 0.413 122 John Carew 89 37 0.416 123 Julian Joachim 90 39 0.43 128 Darren Bent 45 21 0.467 138 Peter Withe * 182 90 0.495 146 Gary Shaw * 165 78 0.47 140 Johnathan Kodjia 36 19 0.53 156 <edited to put them in order> These figures are for league games only. For the legends Shaw, Morley and Withe, it includes league and cup games as these were the only stats I could find Edited July 24, 2017 by TheStagMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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