Eames Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Mr McDonald claimed that Evans asked if he could get involved, while Evans said it was Mr McDonald who asked him if he wanted to have sex with the woman. Now. As a jury, if we assume this to be true and the Independent have worded that correctly, Evans has potentially got consent, since he asked Mr McDonald if he wanted to have sex with her. However, it's a case of who you do believe.... McDonald or Evans. Both maintain she was fine enough to give consent. Rape is not accidental, yet I'm still not entirely sure how McDonald was released - unless he was able to convince the jury his actions were consensual. Other than that, it can only be speculation. I've read this 3 times and it doesn't make sense. If Evans asks McDonald if he could shag the girl he raped her because he didn't ask the girl. Given the girl has maintained her anonymity I'm inclined to believe this isn't a kiss and tell gone bad story. Given the lousy hit rate of rape convictions there must have been pretty damning evidence to convict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J.Rimmer Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 ... and there was me thinking the whole idea was to get them pissed first... I would sue her to get my money back. There but for the grace of God... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b6bloke Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 At the end of the day it don't seem right, McDonald instigated it all by getting a well publicised pissed girl, taking her to hotel and the fact that he text evans to say he had a bird and he turned up says to me that this isn't the first time. She was too pissed from the start so if one was guilty then both should be in prison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 We don't know the full facts but she may have consented to McDonald earlier. The jury had to know beyond reasonable doubt that she hadn't said yes to him. From what I've seem of her testimony, its pretty clear she didn't consent to sex with Evans. Although I also have sympathy with the "girl wakes up having shagged two footballs, feels guilty and decides to cry rape" point of view." The fact she has kept her anonymity so far makes me think this OS the right outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted April 21, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2012 I know it's a serious subject but... Although I also have sympathy with the "girl wakes up having shagged two footballs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 No doubt a bigger name PL player say would have sailed through this trial and walked free to do it again and again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 What is even more stage is that footballers keep forcing themselves on women, I've been out on a night out with a couple of minor PL players before and its embarrassing just how many stunning women throw themselves at them all night long.... Yet we still keep getting these stories, footballers really are that stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Slightly different when you film yourself having sex with a passed out teenager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted April 21, 2012 Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2012 Slightly different when you film yourself having sex with a passed out teenager He didn't film himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Slightly different when you film yourself having sex with a passed out teenager I agree, but I bet they'd have found a willing volunteer at a night club without to much trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Slightly different when you film yourself having sex with a passed out teenager I agree, but I bet they'd have found a willing volunteer at a night club without to much trouble I think young footballers can be pretty arrogant and are not used to hearing the word no very often. When you have women throwing themselves at you it would be pretty easy to get a sense of entitlement, especially when one girl decides she doesn't want to go all the way or have your mates come round to tag team her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingsombrero Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 On the plus side for Ched he's just been named in the League One PFA team of the year in what is definitely not a PR disaster. :bonk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 He has scored loads if goals, and they don't get chalked off when a player gets sent down do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 As I understand it the thinking is that she was more intoxicated by the time she had sex with Evans than she was with MacDonald. It's possible I suppose but I would expect an appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 It wouldn't surprise if McDonald was found not guilty because he 'picked' her up and she agreed to go with him. The defence would have played on that fact as she was consenting to sex with McDonald. She did not consent (or was in a state to consent) to intercourse with Evans and believes her drink was spiked - Date rape drugs, such as Rohypnol do not stay in the system for too long and unless she called the Police and provided urine samples etc soon after the event, the chances of identifying those substances in her samples would be minimal. It also depends on who was in the video recorded on the phones. If it were only Evans - that's what the jury can go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted April 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted April 23, 2012 He has scored loads if goals, and they don't get chalked off when a player gets sent down do they? If goals probably should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Police are investigating reports that the woman raped by footballer Ched Evans was being named and abused online. It follows a complaint to North Wales Police by a leading rape charity which said the alleged comments on Twitter were "profoundly disturbing". Sheffield United and Wales striker Evans, 23, was jailed for five years at Caernarfon Crown Court on Friday after being found guilty of raping the woman who was "too drunk to consent". A spokeswoman for North Wales Police said tonight: "We are aware of some comments made on social media sites and we are collating all relevant information." Rape and other sexual assault victims are guaranteed the legal right to lifetime anonymity. But victims' groups fear the current criminal justice rules could be inadequate to guarantee anonymity in the age of social media. And the latest revelations would add credence to the argument that the law needs updating to prevent victims being identified on the internet. link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Very odd, as said by others, odd one got it but not the other. And with regards to the above post, I believe it is covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I'd hate to read the comments about this case on a Sheffield United forum. I imagion the mods would have to ban all mention of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Very odd, as said by others, odd one got it but not the other. And with regards to the above post, I believe it is covered. Apparently McDonald picked up the girl outside a bar and went back to the hotel room with her. He sent a text to Evans saying he'd pulled. Evens then jumped unto a cab, headed to the hotel, blagged a copy of the key card at reception and let himself into the room where he had a go on the girl. Then climbed out of the fire escape. There is a story here where he explains it from his point of view and it still sounds dodgy. Ched Evans speaks in rape trial: I left hotel through emergency exit in case girlfriend rang Ched Evans arrives at Caernafon Crown Court Published on Wednesday 18 April 2012 14:23 SHEFFIELD United striker Ched Evans, accused of raping a woman in a hotel, today denied “using” her for his own “gratification”. Evans, 23, and Port Vale defender Clayton McDonald, also 23, deny the alleged attack on the 19-year-old at a North Wales hotel in May last year. The woman told police she has no memory of the incident and the prosecution says she was too drunk to consent to sexual intercourse. Giving evidence at Caernarfon Crown Court, Evans, of Ashtree Gardens, Millhouse Green, Penistone, South Yorkshire, repeatedly denied accusations put to him by the prosecution that the girl was unconscious, semi-conscious or not in a state to consent to sex. John Philpotts, prosecuting, said: “She was simply a girl that you and your friend ... you just used her for your own gratification.” “No, that’s not right,” said Evans, wearing a black suit, white shirt and tie. Asked what condition the girl was in, he replied: “She was not very drunk. She had had a drink but she was not very drunk.” He said she was “in control”. Mr Philpotts accused Evans of leaving the hotel through an emergency exit, adding: “You left through that exit because you knew what you had done.” “No,” Evans replied. “And you didn’t want to be seen going through reception.” “No,” Evans said again. Mr Philpotts asked: “What was the hurry to leave?” Evans said: “Because I didn’t want to be in the room in case my girlfriend rang me.” Previously the court heard that Evans, whose mother lives in Rhyl, had invited McDonald and others for a bank holiday night out in the seaside town on May 29. Because there was not enough space at Evans’s mother’s house, the Sheffield United star had booked McDonald into a Premier Inn hotel nearby where the alleged rape is said to have taken place. The court heard that McDonald met the woman and took her back to the room to have sex with her. He then sent a text to Evans to say he had “got a bird” and was joined by Evans shortly afterwards. Both men admit having sex with the woman but say it was consensual. Evans told the court that he wanted to go back to the room and tell McDonald that one of their friends had been arrested and to see if he knew the girl, as he was a “local lad”. He admitted “deceiving” the receptionist to get the key card to the room and then letting himself in and seeing McDonald having sex with the girl. He said they realised he was there when the door “made a clunking noise” behind him. Evans told the court he watched them having sex for about “10/20 seconds” and then McDonald “asked” if his mate could “get involved”. “Then she looked at me and said yes,” Evans said. The footballer then said he carried on watching “for a minute or two” before McDonald got up to close the bedroom curtains, as there was “giggling” coming from the window, where Evans’ brother and a friend were trying to watch from. Evans said that when McDonald got up the girl asked him to perform oral sex on her, which he did. He said: “I performed oral sex on her for maybe two or three minutes and then she turned over on all fours and then asked to be f***** basically”. He said the girl asked him to “f*** her harder”. “They were the words she was using,” he said. Evans then said they changed position so he was facing her while McDonald “watched for a bit” before leaving. “As he left the room we stopped having sex,” Evans told the jury. Mr Philpotts then asked Evans if he and McDonald “forced that young lady” into having sex. He replied: “No.” “Was she conscious?” “Yes,” he said. Evans said the first he heard about the accusations was a text message from his mother on the following Tuesday which he received while seeing a physiotherapist in Sheffield. He said the text talked about the police “interrogating his little brother” about what had happened at the Premier Inn. He said he told his mother “what had happened” and then went to his girlfriend’s house because he was “thinking the worst”. Mr Philpotts said: “Why were you thinking the worst?” Evans said: “Because CID were interrogating my younger brother.” Mr Philpotts asked: “But what could you possibly have to worry about?” Evans replied: “Nothing.” Mr Philpotts then asked the footballer why he chose to leave the hotel room which he had paid £99 for and walk home. Evans said it was because the room had not been booked for him. He said it was “never his intention” to go and “get a girl” that night. He also said he did not recognise the alleged victim from a bar earlier in the night when she was seen to fall over. CCTV was played to the court of Evans appearing to look at the girl as she lay on the floor. But he said he was “looking at her legs” and not her face. He said he could not remember making a call to McDonald after receiving his text about him “getting a bird” and then also claimed he could not remember the taxi journey to the hotel - a taxi he shared with his brother and a friend. Mr Philpotts then asked Evans why he did not knock on the hotel door if he knew his friend was in there with a girl. Evans said: “Because I had a key card. I wasn’t to know what he was doing.” Mr Philpotts replied: “I don’t want to be facetious but they would not have been playing Scrabble, would they? Did you really not know what they would be doing?” Evans said: “No.” He said that when McDonald left the room, he stopped having sex with the girl and started getting dressed. Mr Philpotts asked: “Did she not say anything?” He replied: “When she realised that I was starting to get dressed, she huffed... she pulled the quilt over herself.” Mr Philpotts said: “This woman was semi-conscious, Mr Evans, wasn’t she?” He replied: “No.” Yesterday McDonald, of Marys Gate, Crewe, Cheshire, said he met the complainant in the street following a night out with childhood friend Evans. After visiting a number of bars, the group ended up at a takeaway where there was a disturbance and McDonald, who described himself as “a little bit drunk”, decided to head for a taxi back to his hotel. He said he met the girl in the street and she asked to come back to his hotel. He told the court he did not force her to do anything and she was awake throughout the sexual activity and was requesting he perform a sex act. The jury was earlier told that, as the incident took place, Jack Higgins, an “associate” of the footballers, and Ryan Roberts, Evans’s brother, watched through a window. Video recordings found on Mr Higgins’s phone showed he had been filming or trying to film the incident. McDonald, wearing a blue suit, white shirt and grey tie, told the jury he met Evans when they were aged about 10 and part of the Manchester City youth academy. Evans told the jury he has 13 caps for Wales and has scored 35 goals as a centre forward for Sheffield United this season. He also explained that at the time of the alleged attack he had been seeing his girlfriend for around 18 months and was still with her now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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