useless Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Before Guardiola Man City were just another top four club that would be one of the favorites to win the league every season, but they were seen as being on a similar level to teams like Man Utd and Chelsea, when he first arrived even Spurs were ahead of them, at that point they weren't a team that was seen to miles ahead of everyone else. They only turned into a team that was so far ahead of all the other clubs following Guardiola's arrival, and only started to play the way they do after he came in as well - I know it's fashionable to say it's boring, but truth be told they're one of best footballing sides from the Premier League era. And when he leaves them you will probably see a drop off in their form, they will still be one of the better teams as it's hard not to be with their squad and money, but they will probably have a spell where they're not so far ahead of the other top four or so clubs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 minute ago, useless said: Before Guardiola Man City were just another top four club that would be one of the favorites to win the league every season, but they were seen as being on a similar level to teams like Man Utd and Chelsea, when he first arrived even Spurs were ahead of them, at that point they weren't a team that was seen to miles ahead of everyone else. They only turned into a team that was so far ahead of all the other clubs following Guardiola's arrival, and only started to play the way they do after he came in as well - I know it's fashionable to say it's boring, but truth be told they're one of best footballing sides from the Premier League era. And when he leaves them you will probably see a drop off in their form, they will still be one of the better teams as it's hard not to be with their squad and money, but they will probably have a spell where they're not so far ahead of the other top four or so clubs. Yep, you will see someone shortly claim that Mancini and Pellegrini did exactly the same before him and the reality is they really didn't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 42 minutes ago, useless said: Before Guardiola Man City were just another top four club that would be one of the favorites to win the league every season, but they were seen as being on a similar level to teams like Man Utd and Chelsea, when he first arrived even Spurs were ahead of them, at that point they weren't a team that was seen to miles ahead of everyone else. They only turned into a team that was so far ahead of all the other clubs following Guardiola's arrival, and only started to play the way they do after he came in as well - I know it's fashionable to say it's boring, but truth be told they're one of best footballing sides from the Premier League era. And when he leaves them you will probably see a drop off in their form, they will still be one of the better teams as it's hard not to be with their squad and money, but they will probably have a spell where they're not so far ahead of the other top four or so clubs. Maybe. Bayern certainly weren't worse off when he left them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) On 02/01/2022 at 12:22, AJ said: Quite a few of their games are decided by dubious penalties ( almost always in their favour). They have quality all across the pitch, with players who are capable from scoring from nothing. Do they really need to dive? There was more contact on Konsa vs Man City (Ake) than on Silva, but because it's not a big 6 team its NEVER debated. Same with Salah on Mings, less contact on Salah than on Silva. But because its Villa it's "oh Mings slightly caught his leg, must be a pen". Only because it's against Arsenal is it debated. I guarantee if that was against Villa, West Ham, Everton etc it would get 20 seconds and brushed under the carpet. It ALWAYS favours the big teams. Edited January 4, 2022 by pas5898 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 4, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 minute ago, pas5898 said: There was more contact on Konsa vs Man City (Ake) than on Silva, but because it's not a big 6 team its NEVER debated. Same with Salah on Mings, less contact on Salah than on Silva. But because its Villa it's "oh Mings slightly caught his leg, must be a pen". It ALWAYS favours the big teams. There absolutely was not less contact on Salah than there was on Silva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: There absolutely was not less contact on Salah than there was on Silva The contact is Salah sticking his leg back deliberately then going down, watch it again. Xhaka initiates the contact with Silva (and pulls his shirt for good measure). Both are extremely soft, but only 1 is debated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Man City won't be nearly as dominant after Guardiola leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Maybe. Bayern certainly weren't worse off when he left them. They actually were. There was a really big drop off after he left. They sacked Ancelloti after a year, came very close to losing the league under Kovac and for a team like Bayern with their advantage compared to the rest of the league they shouldn't be anywhere near losing the league. City's advantage over the PL financially pales in comparison to Bayern's advantage over the rest of the Bundesliga. They make double, financially, what the next strongest team makes. They of course still won the league every year and even the CL but the points gap to second was closer than when Pep was there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: They actually were. There was a really big drop off after he left. They sacked Ancelloti after a year, came very close to losing the league under Kovac and for a team like Bayern with their advantage compared to the rest of the league they shouldn't be anywhere near losing the league. City's advantage over the PL financially pales in comparison to Bayern's advantage over the rest of the Bundesliga. They make double, financially, what the next strongest team makes. They of course still won the league every year and even the CL but the points gap to second was closer than when Pep was there. Haven't they won 9 consecutive league titles? There might have been an initial drop off but quite clearly Bayern are dominating that league without Pep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Bayern for the most part dominated the German league long before Guardiola, so it's no surprise that they dominate it after him as well. They're like a Man Utd or Liverpool of German football but without a bunch of other clubs with mega rich owners as competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Haven't they won 9 consecutive league titles? There might have been an initial drop off but quite clearly Bayern are dominating that league without Pep. yes they have, but sparrow was right Kovac was nowhere near that standard, ancelotti wasnt a whole lot better, its quietly become a poor league, leipzig and dortmund arent competing any more and lewandowski is smashing everyone so bayern dont have to be that good anymore, they've also got incredible strength in depth meaning they ride injuries and the long season better than anyone else they've won the 9 titles in a row, of which i think pep was 3, 4 and 5, they've sacked 2 managers during the rest of that run and still won the league, kind of the same as what he's doing at man city though pep had more domestic dominance than the others, he beat a load of bundesliga records too which flick then bettered most of them but im sure he still holds the consecutive wins record in germany and the PL (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Where do people think Norwich's current squad would finish with Pep in charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Wainy316 said: Where do people think Norwich's current squad would finish with Pep in charge? Bottom 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 That Norwich would finish bottom three with Guardiola, if inded that was to be the case, isn't proof that he's a bad manager, some managers are better suited to managing at bigger clubs with better players, and some are better suited to managing teams lower down the table, as different skill sets are needed in the two different scenarios. Like dig, someone such as Dyche has done a very good job at Burnley, but most probably wouldn't do nowhere near as good a job at Man City that Guardiola has done, or at Liverpool as Klopp has done, but that doesn't mean to say he's a bad manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Where do people think Norwich's current squad would finish with Pep in charge? Based on quality of player still bottom 3 But I think he'd get more out of them, the all or nothing documentary said to me if you don't have fire in your belly for pep then you never will - and there's various times and moments in his career wheres moved on some of the biggest names in football so he's not scared to get rid of players who don't buy in And at the same time I don't Farke or Smith could do what pep is doing at city, he's got £300m to £500m worth of players on the bench every week, record signings, internationals, league winners, World Cup winners rotated in and out and its not very often you hear Lukaku esque murmurs out of man City is it? Agree with useless it's a completely different skillset To be a fly on the wall when pep told lahm the world's best right back he's going to play him central midfield... And then they did the same to kimmich so it wasn't a fluke Edited January 4, 2022 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Haven't they won 9 consecutive league titles? There might have been an initial drop off but quite clearly Bayern are dominating that league without Pep. Yep and I said that they are still winning the league. But with Pep, the first league title was wrapped up on the 25th March (27 games in) for example. They tailed off towards the end of his time there because he couldn't sustain it with them, IMO due to his over obsessive and 100% concentration and effort approach 100% of the time. I don't think that this suited Bayern's "stars". It is much more suited to City's a tad below "stars" but still highly talented squad of players. Also I think he has changed his approach now a little bit with City in the last two season's being slow starters and then just blowing the league away by March, even earlier this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Bottom 3 I will absolutely maintain that what Sean Dyche has done at Burnley is harder than what Pep has done at Man City. How hard is it to take a billion pound squad, spend another billion and win the league? There's thousands and thousands of managers trying to make a small club premier league regulars without spending a penny. Dyche has succeeded in that. Confused emojis incoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 minute ago, pas5898 said: I will absolutely maintain that what Sean Dyche has done at Burnley is harder than what Pep has done at Man City. How hard is it to take a billion pound squad, spend another billion and win the league? There's thousands and thousands of managers trying to make a small club premier league regulars without spending a penny. Dyche has succeeded in that. Confused emojis incoming If what he's done at man City is easier then why don't more teams and managers do it? Chelsea, Utd, Liverpool all spent a ton of money too and have brilliant managers at times, they're not winning 3 leagues in 4 years or 5/8 domestic cups or setting records for points, wins and goals He's doing stuff that's in line with fergies utd, not even Jose's Chelsea did this and they had the financial disparity too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, pas5898 said: I will absolutely maintain that what Sean Dyche has done at Burnley is harder than what Pep has done at Man City. How hard is it to take a billion pound squad, spend another billion and win the league? There's thousands and thousands of managers trying to make a small club premier league regulars without spending a penny. Dyche has succeeded in that. Confused emojis incoming Why spend a gazillion £££ on Pep? The sheiks should just get Dyche and give him a fraction of the money (but still more than he gets now), everyone would be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 54 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Where do people think Norwich's current squad would finish with Pep in charge? 18th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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