makouns_grin Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 No offense intended but I always find this view rather simplistic and bordering on the ignorant in term so understanding depression and mental illness. So its just a sad illness as anyone at anytime could do something like this, if they are suffering and tell nobody, or nobody picks up on it at all? There are no signs whats so ever, someone can lead a normal life talk to friends as they normally do but are in fact suffering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makouns_grin Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Conspiracy theories bordering on the rediculous circulating Ranging from hanging by sexual gratification like david carradine, murder suicide by the welsh mafia even people saying the Illuminati killed him Unbelievable And talking about them on a public forum, makes more or less people talk about rumours true or false? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 RIP Gary. My thoughts are with his family and friends. Terrible tragedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 i admit i did have afew issues years ago with depression but what got me through it was thinking if i ended it all the suffering and pain my parents and family would ahve to go through . i could never do that to them... guess its all down to circumstances and way of thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 The Sun have denied having any kind of story or investigation about Gary so we can put that one to bed. Terrible news, thoughts and prayers for his family and friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 28, 2011 Moderator Share Posted November 28, 2011 No offense intended but I always find this view rather simplistic and bordering on the ignorant in term so understanding depression and mental illness. So its just a sad illness as anyone at anytime could do something like this, if they are suffering and tell nobody, or nobody picks up on it at all? There are no signs whats so ever, someone can lead a normal life talk to friends as they normally do but are in fact suffering? I'm sorry I have literally no idea what point you are making or how this relates to my point that someone having lots of money really has nothing to do with depression or mental illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myb Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 The Sun have denied having any kind of story or investigation about Gary so we can put that one to bed. Given news internationals' reputation for not being able to tell the truth about such matters I wouldn't rule this out. I hope not, but I wouldn't take anything they say as remotely plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makouns_grin Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 No offense intended but I always find this view rather simplistic and bordering on the ignorant in term so understanding depression and mental illness. So its just a sad illness as anyone at anytime could do something like this, if they are suffering and tell nobody, or nobody picks up on it at all? There are no signs whats so ever, someone can lead a normal life talk to friends as they normally do but are in fact suffering? I'm sorry I have literally no idea what point you are making or how this relates to my point that someone having lots of money really has nothing to do with depression or mental illness. I didn't mean anything about the money, anyone rich or poor could have depression, thats what point was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongotastic Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I think what's interesting is that over the last 10 or 12 years, attitudes to mental illness are changing. When Stan was suffering with depression, John Gregory's attitude was pretty much 'buck your ideas up son,' and real stress is a single mother with 4 kids to feed. I think numerous people agreed with Gregory's summary and thought Stan should get on with it. Looking at things now, this is a very outdated, narrow minded ignorant view. This is indisputably a horrible, debilitating illness which can affect young and old, rich and poor. How a married family man who is wealthy, successful in his career and outwardly normal can suffer such inner despair is baffling to many, but the illness by its very nature is much more complex. *Assuming this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b6bloke Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 i admit i did have afew issues years ago with depression but what got me through it was thinking if i ended it all the suffering and pain my parents and family would ahve to go through . i could never do that to them... guess its all down to circumstances and way of thinking This, when I had depression a few years ago I just didnt want to be here anymore but thinking about what I would leave behind kicks in straight away, a mate had already seen signs of me being down and had wrote a list of why I had a purpose with me being a dad, a son a brother a friend etc. We dont know what it is but I have seen it happen so many times like the Germany's World Cup goalkeeper Robert Enke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 We dont actually know either way if he was suffering from depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Absolutely shocking news for those he leaves behind. I cannot begin to comprehend how his wife and children are feeling. Thoughts go to them absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Rarely has a news piece resonated with me so strongly. As is evident by some of the posts in here, this has obviously struck a chord with anyone who has ever gone through a period of depression. Now is certainly not the time to look for silver linings (which dont exist), but I hope this acts as a stark warning for those who do suffer from depression and enacts them to do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b6bloke Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Catching up with the treads I see we have the same mental health conversation Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I was devastated when I heard this news yesterday, pro footballer and nice bloke by all accounts. Also the level of ignorance about depression in this country angers me, especially when people say "rich people aren't allowed to be depressed blah blah" RIP Speedo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 No idea how a millionaire with a family In these situations I don't think that makes a blind bit of difference Fully agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 No idea how a millionaire with a family In these situations I don't think that makes a blind bit of difference Fully agree with this. People in this very thread have said the only thing that STOPPED them killing themselves is family, so I would say it does make a difference. As for the money = happiness debate that's probably not for this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 28, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted November 28, 2011 I was on the verge of tears a couple of times thinking about this yesterday. I came out of work and heard he was dead. I watched some of SSN when I got home, and listened to 606 on the night with Robbie Savage spending most of the hour understandably choked up. I concur with I think Trent's comments earlier - you never, ever heard a bad word about Gary Speed. He was one of the few players from other sides I liked while he was playing, he was such a great mid. He mastered the late run into the box before Cahill was even thought of. I'd never met the chap, I wasn't Welsh, and obviously he was never a Villa man, but it choked me up a little more than once during the day, more than I can say many lost Villa men have done for me. It's intensely sad that a man so loved by seemingly all of British football is gone well before his time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 People in this very thread have said the only thing that STOPPED them killing themselves is family, so I would say it does make a difference. I disagree to an extent, as there's no hard and fast commonality to mental health issues; the extent and nature of someone's suffering will differ depending on the individual, sometimes to a great extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrums Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Exactly. It affects people in different ways. Some people cannot bother to wash themselves or get out of bed, and some lead what appears to be fairly normal lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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