Dodgyknees Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I am glad we talk about wider paedophiles here, it is the fat ones that scare me. Easier to run from though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Freddie Starr arrested again for the 4th time. They're determined to get him for something aren't they? How about being an unfunny word removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 How about for eating somebody's pet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I wonder if, over the last 30 years if the amount of coverage and the increase in people caught for stuff like this and paraded on the news has inadvertently increased the problem ? Now, my thinking is that before everyone had internet I suppose the temptation was just not there for these people but now you have the news basically telling these people there is "Stuff" online if you care to find it. This is not really blaming the media as they report what has occurred but in this type of criminal activity it kind of feels like a self fulfilling prophecy. So the more we report it the more it will happen. Basically is the amount of abuse carried out now comparable to say that of 50 years ago ? I would say no but that's a guess tbh. Thoughts, (I have a migraine so it might not make any sense) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I think it's the opposite. Victims are now more likely to speak up, and be taken seriously. The fear of detection has grown. The likelihood of detection has also grown. There's an idea that the availability of dodgy material may prompt some people to commit these crimes. But they were happening long before the internet, just more easily covered up and victims silenced. There is however an issue of the possible impact on people of some of the stuff that's out there, which is a complicated and unclear subject. The self-fulfilling prophecy point is a bit like the way that the number of housing repairs goes up when landlords make it easier to report them; the change hasn't created the underlying conditions, just revealed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I see what you mean, thanks for the great reply. It's super complicated that's for sure. I thought I was onto something but back to the drawing board so to speak. Thinking about it, if there is a dodgy person in one's community then I suspect that the community as a whole will be keeping a very close eye on them I suppose + the additional checks for jobs working with children has shut some obvious doors to them. 3000 posts for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Dave Lee Travis cleared of all charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 They should clear Rolf now, pre trial. If Barlow and Hairy Cornflake can walk free, Rolf surely has the cigar out already! I wonder what's going on with these prosecutions though. Surely the CPS has to build a compelling case, otherwise it's pointless going to trial. The 'evidence' must be very flimsy .... although Cornflake had over 10 different (and some respected/professional people) making claims against him, yet he walks. Have they ALL made it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 It's the power of the Beard. I knew he was innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 They should clear Rolf now, pre trial. If Barlow and Hairy Cornflake can walk free, Rolf surely has the cigar out already! I wonder what's going on with these prosecutions though. Surely the CPS has to build a compelling case, otherwise it's pointless going to trial. The 'evidence' must be very flimsy .... although Cornflake had over 10 different (and some respected/professional people) making claims against him, yet he walks. Have they ALL made it up? Pro The CPS are supposed to have a better than 50% chance of convicition before going ahead with a trial. There are several issues at play here..... the CPS ****ed up massively over Savile and as a result are deserate to show they can "get" some convictions. Any conviction will do they are, in my opinion running with evidence that is fatally flawed. In one of the charges against Bill Roach the "victim" couldn't even remember the incident. How the hell did that make it to Court? Trouble is, the evidence is very much "he said/she said" quality. If there is any reasonable doubt the juries have to acquit and in light of a total absence of DNA evidence proving these assault cases are totally impossible. Any half decent barrister is going to fillet some of these witnesses if there recall of the events aren't 100% accurate and 100% consistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted February 13, 2014 Administrator Share Posted February 13, 2014 The police will arrest on the basis of evidence gathering. The CPS will bring a prosecution if they believe there is a case to answer, that's usually seen as a balance of probabilities. ie. 51% likely to be guilty. The court needs to find a crime was committed to be beyond all reasonable doubt, a much higher burden of proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Interesting teaser, apparently coming in one of tomorrow's papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Is it like the mystery guest round in Question of Sport? Are we supposed to have a punt from the ear on show? Don't worry, Limpid, I'm not about to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I've found a close one, but not 100% on it. There's a few eliminations though. I reckon it's a recent one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 This story was on The Mirror's website in December and a disclaimer on the picture reads (picture posed by model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 This story was on The Mirror's website in December and a disclaimer on the picture reads (picture posed by model) The former Minister I was thinking of has dark hair, and a chubbier face. I suppose a chubby face doesn't really narrow it down a lot, when you're speaking of tory Ministers... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted February 13, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2014 You sure that's a teaser from tomorrow's paper? I know it's blurry but it looks to me like the date top right says 08 12 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 This story was on The Mirror's website in December and a disclaimer on the picture reads (picture posed by model) The former Minister I was thinking of has dark hair, and a chubbier face. I suppose a chubby face doesn't really narrow it down a lot, when you're speaking of tory Ministers... I suppose he didn't have a chin either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 This story was on The Mirror's website in December and a disclaimer on the picture reads (picture posed by model) The former Minister I was thinking of has dark hair, and a chubbier face. I suppose a chubby face doesn't really narrow it down a lot, when you're speaking of tory Ministers... I suppose he didn't have a chin either? A receding one, and a smug expression, and an air of moneyed entitlement. But we haven't narrowed it down at all in saying that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 You sure that's a teaser from tomorrow's paper? I know it's blurry but it looks to me like the date top right says 08 12 2013. May well be a reissue. It's from Twitter, so I have no idea if it's actually going to appear. I did say "apparently". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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